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NBC News Wants to Focus on REAL Victims of Terror: Muslim-Americans
Posted On 02 Nov 2017
It’s not even clear that all of the victims of the Halloween-day massacre in New York City had been identified by the time NBC News decided to run a story sympathizing with the group they considered the REAL victims of the tragedy: Muslim Americans. While the rest of the news media was busy gathering facts about Sayfullo Saipov’s wretched truck attack that left eight people dead, NBC News decided to get out in front of what they considered to be the inevitable backlash against the poor, downtrodden Islamic community.
From their website, published only hours after the attack:
Umer Ahmad, a 43-year-old Muslim-American physician from New Jersey, was in his Trenton office when he heard that a rented pickup truck had deliberately driven down a bike path in Lower Manhattan, killing eight people and injuring about a dozen more.
“My initial reaction was, obviously, concern and shock over what happened,” Ahmad told NBC News. “And then, basically, I was wondering if it was a Muslim who did it.”
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“My biggest concern is that he’s readily identified as a Muslim and then that is extrapolated out to my own faith,” he said.
In the wake of Tuesday’s attack, some Muslim Americans and community leaders expressed concerns over how their religion would be perceived and whether Muslims would become targets of violence.
“There has been a history of, sort of, blowback, and that’s obviously going to be something that people think about,” said Ali Najmi, a board member of the Muslim Democratic Club of New York. “But the primary concern is, usually, and is now, how we can best lend ourselves in this time of crisis.”
Najmi predicted that Muslim-American groups would organize around ways to help those affected by Tuesday’s attack.
“Their primary concern is about how we can be helpful and how we can help the victims and people in crisis,” he said.
We have to actually say, the Muslims that NBC spoke to seem more interested in putting their best foot forward than in falling into the same old defensive crouch, so we’ll give credit where it’s due. If this wasn’t just the network picking and choosing quotes, then perhaps finally the Islamic community is beginning to realize that this “WHAT ABOUT US” posture after every attack is a really bad look.
Of course, there’s nothing they can do to stop the mainstream media from doing it for them.
Frankly, though, we’d be happier if Muslims spent less time defending themselves, less time “helping out” after a tragedy, and more time actually cutting this cancer out of their religion. And make no mistake about it, this is a cancer that goes much deeper than a terrorist attack now and then. The object isn’t to stop every Sayfullo Saipov, which is probably impossible. The object must be to change the entire culture of Islam, gut the religion of the insane, barbaric teachings that continue to be a mainstream part of the worship, and get serious about major reform inside the countries where Islam reigns supreme. ONLY Muslims can do this work. ONLY Muslims can cure themselves of this rancid ideology that has left so many people dead, oppressed, maimed, and fear-stricken throughout the world. And to the extent they tolerate it, they perpetuate it, even if they would rather things be different.
Because as it stands right now, any backlash against the Islamic community after a terrorist attack is well deserved. These deadly events keep happening, the perpetrators keep citing the same evil motive, and the same “religion of peace” keeps laying waste to innocent people. Does every Muslim share in the guilt of Tuesday’s attack? Is there any excuse for random violence against a random Muslim? The answers to these questions are hardly worth examining – it’s an unequivocal and obvious no. But if you want to stand behind and beside a religion that produces so much pain and suffering, then don’t be surprised if your fellow Americans fail to understand where you’re coming from.
You don’t have the Reporters to change. Your reporters are Liberals and DemocRATS that can’t tell the truth. You have lost people like me who live in the “Fly over Country” that despises CNN, CBS, ABC , NMC and MSNBE – – FAKE NEWS
The leaders can NOT understand that !!!!
The bleeding and broken people left behind in the wake of a terrorist attack are the only “real” victims.
Kinda like the four children murdered in a KKK-sponnsored church bombing in 1968, eh? Or the patriotic white kid, Dylan Root, who murdered seven citizens in a bible-study class on a Sunday church meeting, eh?
LOL..I guess you’re one of those Muslim dick suckers.
gvette–I am thinking you are correct. Idiots cannot help themselves, can they?
Well, not a good response on my part, but I think I might be close!
You can’t fix stupid.
Well yes one can but it’s been deemed illegal!! What you may ask??? Delivering a lead pill at EXTREMELY high velocity! To bad it’s illegal!
… or liberal, apparently.
You KNOW this scumbag jh is definitely 1 of those. And he licks their boots every chance too.
LOL..your comment paints an interesting picture!!
GVETTE –
Allow me to interject into this disturbing exchange….you are one sick individual-
LOL…sick was you DemonRATS electing a gay black, with a tranny wife, and two rent a kids.
You make no sense. What I said was in no way racist.
He’s a liberal. It’s their only talking point.
Sadly they have become just that, Vile and Hateful. They have lost sense of being Liberal, or what Liberal people once stood for. Which wasn’t much, but it surely isn’t the BS they have become today
Hypocrite!
What because I have a different opinion then yours. Thanks I will take that as a complement, because they are Vile, and Hateful. I don’t believe l’m Hateful or vile. Because of a opinion. I have that Right
Liberals don’t like different opinions it’s there way or the highway.
Ooh, there’s another good one. You space cadets have it going now. When you learn to put a cohesive sentence together, rather than blurting out a one word response. Maybe we will think you’ve taken a step out of the Neanderthal ways most liberals have fallen into.
Just copying the “good” example that Dumpf has set.
lol….what has he done bad? Oh, you want to talk about what he said between two men years ago? You liberals couldn’t even reach up to that bar. Heck, with everything that’s coming out with all the liberal supporters we can tell the type of people you are. Then there’s that darned old book the the former chair for the dnc…you know that gal Donna Brazile? The whole lot of them are nothing but cheaters, swindlers, liars and thieves.
President Trump is working on securing our borders….you know we are a sovereign nation right? Limiting the terrorists entering our nation unlike England and Germany where terrorist attacks by muslims happens on a regular basis.
Working to fix that debacle obeymecare.
Hey, look at the stock market since he’s been in….unpresidented growth. I’ve watched as my 401k and stocks have given me a great start to the new year coming ahead.
That’s in one year without the help of the biased media, you dimwits screaming he’s a nazi and RINOs we will be weeding out this next year.
You folks love to throw innuendo around, yet your ilk is capable of much worse….the clintons should have been in prison by now with all their crap.
LONG OVER DUE for the Clinton’s IMHO:(:(:(
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You talking about your self again.
Nope.
Bullshit liberals are always talking about them self.
Nope!
Damn it—-doesn’t the TRUTH hurt sometimes? Open your eyes folks—Muslims are taught from birth, that everyone NOT of their faith are “infidels” & are to be eliminated at all costs. How much longer are we, as Patriotic Americans, going to continue to put up with their killer mode & deport them ASAP? NOW would be a great time to start. Never allow these animals into the USA, ever again. If Muslims try to enter the USA, turn them around & send them packing. They are NOT wanted here in our peaceful Country. Sooner or later, they will get the message. If they are already here, help them pack. I for one, am sick of these people, being allowed to stay here & murder Americans. It is time for them to GO AWAY.
BOOTLICKER..
Wow, reading the comments below I see you call me dumbf, L o L!# I will be nice to you, and your WHAT!!!? VILE, AND HATEFUL WAYS, and say Good Day, and leave it at that.
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“Racism” is only a word, meant to shut down debate. If called a racist, answer with a one syllable word: SO?
BINGO Right you be.
You might not believe it but the word “racism” was made up by none other than the noted Marxist/Communist, VLADIMIR IIyich Lenin to do just that.
Don’t you know by now liberals put the blame on everyone but them selfes.
Don’t worry, none of those responsible for the attacks you briefly summarized above, hesitated to murder innocent people. They probably would have killed you and others for their ’cause’, just as the truck terrorist had no issue in mowing down those he saw as targets because that was his plan. You would not have been spared if you were on the bike path. The problem with the ‘refugee’ that perpetrated the crime, was granted entrance to the U.S. by the goodwill,and grace of the same benefactors he despised; should we forget about the free housing, paying work, personal transportation, and all the amenities most Americans struggle to get access in order to survive? If you were in a situation confronted with any of the terrorists, whether from this nation, or a muslim country, there is no doubt you would look for a ‘safe space’ to shelter in place while the body count increased iall within view.
All true, however, I think you (and so many others) confuse the word “refugee” with the word “infiltrator”.
Not really… it’s a matter of “better safe than sorry…” If the potential for refugees being infiltrators and wanna be terrorists is high, and you cannot know who’s who, then you simply but a stop at welcoming them… Why? Let’s see if the facts are enough: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
My friend you have a lot of STUPID Americans that love this slime aka muslims and could care less if they are terrorists and they are all communist democRATS.
That 800 pound gorilla in the room all of you are too terrified to say out loud is SHARIA LAW! All who follow sharia law must obey Islamic tenants as written, unless deception is necessary to further the cause of Islam. Those completely intolerant and historically unchangeable tenants are totally and unalterably incompatible with the American Constitution. Without sharia there can be no Islam. Therefore Islam cannot honestly accept nor can it peaceably exist alongside the American Constitution without that deception. The
true believers must eternally conduct jihad at every opportunity until sharia is the only law and Allah is the only god.
There god allah lives on the moon. And is a real asswipe of a god .
BAN Sharia Law in the US. This might help save us from ending up like Europe.
Can you tell them apart? Can you pick out the dangerous ones?
No I cannot.
Therefore, the most prudent course of action is to disallow anyone that ascribes and identifies with that particular political ideology.
I look at it this way the only good muslim is a dead muslim all of them will lie to you.
AMEN!! HALLELUJAH!!! I agree 100%!!!!!
Nah, more like-we have enough maniac dirt-bags right here at home–we don’t need to be importing more.
Quit, trying to justify Wrongs with more Wrongs, there is bad in every race. Your justifying the wrongs isn’t the same as the Stupidity that NBC is trying to do. When whites, blacks, Mexicans etc… that are law abiding call out and condemn the people who do Wrong, where, Muslims by their Teachings don’t See killing All others as Wrong!! That includes you Joe Heathen, unless you are Islamic. So No its not the Same. I don’t think you are that Stupid not to understand that. I happen to think your just a brainwashed stooge who is a Hater, Sadly you hate yourself the most you just aren’t Man enough to admit it
Insanity is everywhere. But what other group of people or religion so systematically attacks everyone else who does not believe and profess as they do? Say what you may, joe_hatter, but facts speak louder than your inane drivel. Try again, that one, you missed. Check this link and argue against the facts there listed (a small sample, but significant, of “peace” Muslim style…) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
In 1968 the KKK was still part of the Democrat Party.
Still are as far as I know. Leopards don’t change their spots. Once a racist, always a racist:(
at their last convention they denied God 3 times
Hmmm, wasn’t it hilLIARy that had donations from members of the kkk? You see, there are many democrats from as far back as before the civil war that are racist. Grew up going back to Missouri every year and my grandparents neighbors were just that….cross burning country folks that voted democrat. As far as “Dylan Root”….first its Roof. Next, this kid was a nut job from the get go…why do you bring him up? He wasn’t anything other than a disturbed kid with very little future outlook. So your point with him is he’s white? See what happened here in Kalifornistan….this was a couple hours south of me. I don’t know about you but when I was young and got a chance to go out partying with friends…I DIDN’T THINK ABOUT BRINGING GUNS WITH ME!! Apparently blacks down there DO!!
http://ktla.com/2017/11/04/woman-killed-4-injured-after-party-bus-shooting-near-santa-monica-pier-some-suspects-possibly-still-at-large/
While completely reprehensible, those attacks were not made in the name of religion; a religion whose holy book demands those types of killings. KKK was evil but it was not a religion.
Why are you sticking up for the Muslims? Take a look worldwide and see who is creating most of the problems.
You dude are a fucking liberal fucking IDIOT. The KKK and Dylan Root were all democrats like you asshole. In fact the KKK was started by the democrats look it up that is if you’re not too lazy.
boone1 here’s some articles to back you up! No I didn’t go out and search it just now. I have it saved in a folder for when one encounters UTTER STUPIDITY like joe_heathen!
Feel free to copy it if you want for the next time you encounter a A–Hole joe_heathen!
PROOF positive you (joe) don’t have a freaking clue. The ScumboRATZ own the title to being the a–holes who started the KKK. Now be a good boy and get off of mommies computer!!
http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan
http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/ku-klux-klan-reconstruction-era
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/stories_org_kkk.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2309727/posts
http://newstalk1130.iheart.com/onair/common-sense-central-37717/the-democratic-party-and-the-kkk-11769046/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=502_1193356283
The new KKK today is called the democrat communist party and have not change sence the early 1800 hundreds It’s the same party.
I forgot thanks for the info.
No problem!!
Just another inbred operative of the Democrat-Communist-Islamic Terrorist Organization. PERIOD
Or the 3000 plus that died when those MUSLIMS took down the trade centers?
IF you are including those people’s (those that were run over and injured or killed) families and friends as victims also, I’ll agree with your statement as they are victims too.
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Well written article. What needs to happen is that Muslims need to rid the cancerous ideology within their religion. If the religion really is a religion of peace, then they should get to work cleaning the sewage out of it. Everyone realizes you won’t be able to stop every nutbag like the douche who did his evil deed on NYC the other day, but if you start cracking down now on the vast majority, shit like this won’t happen very much, and there will not be any backlash directed towards Muslims in general.
I agree completely. And a good place to start is in these Mosques that have radicals preaching jihad.
They are NOT radicals!! That is only “people” practicing their “religion”!!
PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, you could go to 10 Mosques and find 9 Imams preaching the REAL Quran which says explicitly to not harm non-Muslims. But then go to the 10th one that claims the Quran says to kill all non-Muslims. Not being an Islamic Scholar I can’t say why there are 2 so different interpretations to the Quran. I think it may have started with Muhammed’s son-in-law and descendants, which would explain why so many Muslims kill other Muslims. You don’t see such violence in Indonesia, China, Malaysia, Singapore which have huge Muslim populations.
No jimbo. Many people have posted what the quran actually says about LYING to the infidel. MURDERING the infidel that does NOT convert to iSLIME.
Get a copy and READ and COMPREHEND what is ACTUALLY PUSHED by their muSLIME “holy” book
I have read the Quran many times. It is clear to me tat you have not read it. You are most likely quoting texts of it from what others have fed you. Historic religious books have many “bad” things written into them. Have you read the Bible? The part where it says it is OK to own slaves as long as they do not come from a neighboring country? You not only have to actually read them, both the Quran, and the Bible, but you have to judge them in context of the time that they were written in. In other words it will take a little bit of effort to actually do some research.
Please explain Quran verse 9:29. Take your time. I’ll wait. But be sure that your silence will prove my point correct.
Apparently you are too ignorant to correct. It means to fight against people who do not believe in God. Fight can mean many things and there are similar verses in the Bible. You are not proving your point correct, rather proving how ignorant you are. Get a life, or better yet do a little theological research
You are incorrect yet again. It states quite clearly to fight against those that do not believe in Allah and Mohammed. It says fight those that refuse the Scripture of Mohammed. To fight them until they are subdued.
You cannot ‘soft pedal’ that which is there for all to see and read for themselves. To even try is a fool’s errand.
Whomever translated that for you is just as ignorant as you are. I’m done. You don’t accept logic, nor truth.
That was from “www.The noble Quran.com. You stand alone against 6 eminent Arabic Islamic scholars? They are all ignorant? If you say ‘yes’, I would make a fair wager they would accuse you of shirk. I would accuse you of kitman at the very least.
What you are doing is stating that the verses are in fact, lies. I now have to cast doubt in your actual knowledge. Pretty bad when a mere kurrar has a better grasp of a Quranic verse than a supposed Muslim, no?
Just to make sure we’re on the ‘same page’ let me present the verse here:
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or The Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the Jizya willingly while they are humbled.” Quran 9:29.
So tell me O Great Scribe! What does it really say if these are not the words?
Now is the time to address the error you see laid before you.
If this is indeed incorrect, do you not have a duty to relieve us of any fallacy which damages the Word?
Look in the mirror, comment on this, dead-brain jimbo: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
The problem with you inane drivel, dead-brain jimbo, is that those parts of the Bible you refer two, in context, belong in the past… but Muslims keep beheading Christians, raping women and sex-enslaving them, marrying and raping children, destroying Christian (and other) churches (and places of worship,) persecuting and executing non-Muslims, etc. Again, read and deny the facts: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
Read Quran 9:29. All you’ll ever need to know.
Such ignorance. I’m guessing you were a big hillary supporter too
Ignorance? I’ve read it and discussed it. At length. With Muslims.
Hillary supporter? You could not possibly be more incorrect.
Now, with those pleasantries dismissed, can we get past the ad hominem attacks and get to the point at hand?
Have you read the verse in question? If so, what does it say? What does it command? If you haven’t, why haven’t you? Afraid? Never be afraid of Truth. Truth is what sets you free.
Yes, IGNORANCE. But you took a 2 line passage from the Quran and now you are an expert. Of course I’ve read the passage,. Every Muslim reads the passage. I’m guessing you did not read the passage in Arabic. I’m not defending it, any more than I could defend the passages in the Bible that permit Christians to own slaves or have sex with their children. But it’s in there. Again, it was the context of the times. And to be against someone who does not believe in One God, is not such a terrible thing to be written in the 1400s when there was plenty of bloodletting by Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
Yep, “the times” – but Muslims are the only ones who en mass in the 21st century still decapitate non-Muslims, marry children and rape them, etc., etc., etc. Ignorance, you claim? Your ignorance of course. Blind, because you do not want to see? Bury your head in the sand, changes nothing. Comment please; how do you justify this: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
To everyone reading this thread, please observe the following attributes of Jimbosidecar’s retort:
1) An hominem attack. The last refuge of an untenable position.
2) Deny, deny, deny. Yet, at no point does he state what the passages “REALLY” say. Why? Because they say what I stated they say.
3) Infers that I declare myself an expert. I did not, and never have.
I only stated the obvious truth that, in this day and Age of Information, it is information that anyone can review for themselves.
4) Declares “I’m done with you”. Why? Because he knows full well he cannot discount the truth I present. Therefore, there is no possible valid retort. Truth Reigns Supreme.
Explain “religion of peace” after you read this: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
How does that differ from
Deuteronomy 13:6-10?
Very similar to be sure. Please be aware that the book of Deuteronomy is of the Old Testament. Pre-Christian. Before the time of the Compassionate Christ. Also, please be aware that while this is part of the Torah, it is not a core tenet of the faith.
Quran 9:29, as well as Quran 8;39 are at the very heart of the faith of Islam. Can you recall a time on your life you saw or heard of people being killed due to people applying Deuteronomy 13:6-10? No? Can you say you saw or heard of people being killed due to the application of Quran 9:29? I know I can.
The former is more or less an anachronism of historical Scripture. The latter is a present, contemporary reality which no longer belongs in a civilized world. It too needs to be relegated to history.
I know Muslims. My son goes to a Catholic high school with a hajib wearing woman She is on a school committee with me. We have had many a conversation about our religions and does not agree with you. What is your source that it is at the very heart of Islam?
My source is the Quran itself.
You can easily google “The Noble Quran.com”.
If you review the history of Islam from it’s inception to present day, you will see a pattern of violent coercion and conquest. By and large, Islam is spread by the sword.
“Jihad” is not the ‘internal struggle” they are so fond of relating. This is called “kitman”.
Another point Muslims are fond of relating is that it is forbidden to kill the innocent, right?
Well, a fundamental point here is, if you are offered entry into the Ummah and you refuse, you are no longer considered ‘innocent’
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Let me say this to you and them:” While I have no animosity towards Muslims, it is the faith of Islam I take issue with. Why? Because it is the antithesis of the concept of “Freedom”. Every living sentient being wishes to be free. It is the natural state of being.
I see Islam and it’s aims as the ongoing struggle of Slavery against the natural state of being
. “Mankind vs. Man”.
I am very sure, deep in my heart that there are many, many good people which happen to be Muslim. Fair enough. But for me, that has no bearing in my opinion of the actual faith of Islam. The Nazi regime was evil, but surely, there were many Germans (and others) that were in the 3rd Reich that were actually ‘good people’. Does that give a ‘pass’ to the Nazi movement? I would hardly think so.
And so it is with Islam.
I never said that what you posted is not in Quran. Just like my Deuteronomy citation is in the Bible. My question to you is why is one at the “heart” of the religion and the the other is not so important and can basically be ignored.
That is not unique to Islam. Once again, I point out to you Christianity has a similar history…the Crusades..come to mind. Even in US history, people have been murdered as heretics. See the Salem Witch Trials.
And in current times, people purporting to be Christians have murdered others they believe are behaving in un-Christian ways. It’s been known to happen because “God told me to”. Didn’t Hitler purport to be a Christian when he murdered countless Jews?
Now I am Christian, so I am not specifically putting down my own faith. I am just saying to look at both sides without the mass hysteria that seems to be prevalent regarding Islam.
http://religionnews.com/2015/11/17/paris-attacks-religion-violence/
I guess, the short answer is what psychopaths do “in the name of Christianity” (including the Spanish Inquisition, for example) would certainly not be endorsed by Christ. Much of the psychotic behavior and violence perpetrated by Muslims would not only be endorsed by Mohammed, but have been commanded to do so by Mohammed. To sum it up:
“‘Christians’ commit atrocities DESPITE the teachings of Christ.”
“Muslims commit atrocities BECAUSE of the teachings of Mohammed.”
BTW, it is widely accepted that Hitler was no Christian and held Christianity and Christians in contempt. The rituals of the SS were decidedly pre-Christian pagan. It should also be noted that Muslims had aligned themselves with the German Wehrmacht during both World Wars.
I take issue with your belief that Muslims commit atrocities because of Mohammad.
If you live in a good size cities, you should have a local Islamic center. The one where I live has open houses a few times a year. If yours does, go there. Just watch and listen. When I did, I was struck by the gentle atmosphere of the place and the people.
Now, some Muslims CLAIM they are acting on behalf of Mohammad just as some Christians claim they are acting in the name of Jesus. If your statement is correct, why do the overwhelming number of Muslims not participate in atrocities? There are close to 2 billion Muslims in the world. How often has law enforcement said they received word from other Muslims that one may be a danger to society?
Whether the majority of Muslims accept the commands of Mohammed to answer the call to Jihad is irrelevant. The fact that he issued those commands then and are still carried out to this day most certainly is.
Did you know that polls are taken of how Muslims feel about “violence in defence of Islam is justified”? Do you know what those numbers are? If not, please review in the website “Religion of Peace.com” I think you’ll be surprised of not concerned.
Of all the books I’ve read on this subject, the one I’ve found most sober, matter of fact and quite difficult (if not impossible) to refute is a book by the Dutch parliamentary Geert Wilder’s titled “Marked For Death”. It is a treatise on Islam, from inception to present day. What I found most striking about the book was the extensive footnotes listed which left no room for unfounded criticisms.
Again, just as in every faith, there is spectrum of adherence. Just as ‘Christians’ range from “foaming at the mouth Bible Thumpers” to “Sunday Morning Saints”, so too it is with Islam. Some are ISIS sympathizers, some are are “cultural Muslims”, being born into it, many having only the most casual knowledge of it. Most likely fall somewhere in between. However, that does in no way mitigate the message or intent of the core tenet which is delivered unambiguously in Quran 9:29.
World domination with Islam as the only validated faith.
Before I make comment, since your link didn’t work, I found thereligionofpeace.com. Is that the site you wanted me to see?
Yes. When you do, please take note of the terror attack count. Amazing both because of the number of attacks since 9/11 but also compared to the number reported on by the MSM.
I would like to know where your site gets those statistics.
Is that your go-to site for information on Islam? Is there any other site you look at?
Pretty sure that site gets it’s information from global news sources. I looked up a bunch, randomly picked, and they all cross referenced. I have reason to doubt them.
For just a running notice of Jihad related violence, try http://www.Jihadwatch.org
For general coverage, try http://www.barenakedislam.com.
or for a more ecumenical discourse, try David Wood-Answering Muslims.com-Acts17Apologetics on You Tube.
From an ex-Muslim, you could learn quite a bit from an incredibly courageous woman, Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
Ok, I think I must have misunderstood one of your earlier statements. You said, ‘ Amazing both because of the number of attacks since 9/11 but also compared to the number reported on by the MSM.”
I interpreted that to mean that the site you sent to me was not in sync with other media sources. Are you saying they do…or where am I off here?
Tell you what, give me one of the global sites that you used to look up stats that are on this one. I will be honest with you, it’s my belief that sites such as religionofpeace exaggerates at least somewhat. I would really like to see a global news source that matches what they post. Let’s say any of the numbers in the far left column. Just give me a source you have used in the past as a true up…I will take it from there.
Let me clarify: The American MSM does not report most attacks unless they are particularly egregious, or so it would seem.
I took the list of attacks, ‘googled’ them by date and location and they panned out.
If you don’t believe me, that’s good, If you go after the truth by cross referencing, that’s better! If not BEST! I do not believe anyone should believe anyone about anything without ‘due diligence’. The problems begin when people do not do ‘due diligence’ and/or refuse what they find because it clashed with preconceptions and assumptions.
I was relatively devoid of any thoughts on the matter until I became curious and began digging.
By all means, read Geert Wilder’s book “Marked For Death”. I personally feel it is the most important book on the subject since Churchill’s “The River of War: An Account Of The reconquest Of The Sudan”.
Both should be required reading at the high school and college level, as the observations noted are directly relevant to the observations of today.
That’s why I asked you for the cross referencing source you use. Can you just give me a couple?
Once again, I just “Googled” the attack, date, location. And each time, the was a news article that corroborated the account.
Try it for yourself.
Then it would have taken you 5 seconds to copy and paste one of the news articles that support your “Religion of Peace” numbers in your reply to me. Why did you not do it? My guess is if you could have, you would have.
If I did that, 2 things would happen:
1) You would claim I manufactured the item.
2) I would be jumping through hoops for your amusement. Something I’m not willing to do.
Now, a question for you: Why haven’t you done what I suggested and see for yourself? If you doubt through veracity of these accounts, you will be vindicated if the web search proves them false, right? You have already put forth more effort in avoiding this than what would have been expended on a quick search.
Try me. Give me ANY of the links you used that you used when you said, “I looked up a bunch, randomly picked, and they all cross referenced.”
Here’s the thing, if you made that claim and you’re not willing to back it up, it’s meaningless.
So have you…and for a search you claim you already made.
Hitchens’s razor is an epistemological razor asserting that the burden of proof
regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the
claim and if this burden is not met, the claim is unfounded and its
opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.
I gave you information. Use it. Don’t use it. Verify it. Don’t verify it. I don’t care.
You gave me nothing. You just pretended you did. You want to believe the worst and found a website that confirms your bias about Muslims.
I pretty much knew that would be the case.
What I gave you the websites you asked for, and my experience when I checked at random some of the accounts listed at religionofpiece.
Just the one. The anti-Muslim one you claimed to have corroborating world news sites. The ones you said you used to cross reference.
Three posts back you said you wouldn’t give those URLs be saying you believed I would say the sites were manufactured. Since then you say you DID give me those sites.
Make up your mind. Don’t contradict yourself. It’s bad form.
Against my better judgement, I have tried to set you free with truth.
All these sites are just “biased against Muslims”. That’s your claim, correct?
Would you also consider Wikipedia just as biased? If not, you’d do well to search
“Wikipedia List of Islamist Terror Attacks”
At times like these, I am reminded of the words of John Adams:
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
No, I don’t see Wikipedia as inherently biased. However, you claimed you used “global news sources” to do your true up. Wikipedia is not a global news source.
What do you mean “all these sites”? The only website you have given me is the original “theereligionofpeace.com”.
Perhaps you may want to scroll up to see that I am correct.
So you deride me for not giving you those sites and now you deride me because I gave you those sites? Talk about “make up your mind”…
I have been very consistent in saying you have given me no site that corroborates your original Muslim hating site.
Perhaps you might want to re-read the thread.
Religeonofpeace is a fact gathering site which gathers facts specific to jihad driven attacks. If you bothered to read it,(instead of the typical Liberal minder knee-jerk reaction to facts contrary to their assumptions) they state specifically, that their list excludes any acts of personal vendetta, street crime and the like and only lists violent attacks resulting in death, driven by “religious duty”.
The best part of this whole silly game you play is that untold others are reading this and checking out what I have posted for themselves.
It is this simple act of “due diligence” is what sets the truth free.
Yes. A “fact” gathering site. Which is why I originally asked you where it got its “facts”. You said you used global news sources to corroborate the “facts” that were on thereligionofpeace. You said, ” I looked up a bunch, randomly picked, and they all cross referenced.” I asked you for a couple of those in that “bunch” and that’s where we fell apart.
You provided none of the URLs you purported to use as a cross reference.
And aren’t you embarrassed at what they found out?
Not. At. All.
jimbo… did you sidecar get rammed and you got hit in the head? Where on earth does the REAL Quran you speak of tells Muslims not to harm, decapitate, subjugate, rape, etc., non-Muslims? Where does the REAL Quran you speak of profess peace and tolerance and co-existence with believers of other religions? Hum… you must live in planet Denial… This is only about how tolerant Muslims are towards Christians, but read and deny the facts, jimbo… https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
You sir, GET IT. Glad to see another refusing to be lulled to sleep by the Liberal Kool-Aid.
Thanks. Same to you. There are many of us but not enough!
Especially in “leadership” positions!!
THIS guy’s Iman tried to get him to cool it, told the killer that he was misinterpreting the Koran. The members of the congregation did NOT support this mentally distrubed man’s “faith”.
I have not read that, but it’s not that surprising to me. Like all people, there are good Imams and bad Imams. From what I’ve heard there seem to be some bad Imams in New Jersey
They do not condemn it very loudly at all. If at all.
Lets see the worshipers step up to the plate and turn these rats in.
Have you seen the outrage from within the Umma over this attack? Yeah. Me neither.
AMEN!
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
NOT a “religion of peace” but PIECE(s)!!!!
Yep, everything broken to peices: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june – and everyone blown to pieces too!
They cannot get rid of the ‘cancerous ideology’ within their religion. That IS their religion. Jihad, for the goal of total world domination by Islam IS the core tenet of Islam.
Don’t believe me?
Please read Quran 8:39. It explains there is only room for ONE religion. It is for Allah.
Please read Quran 9:29, It COMMANDS offensive attacks on those that do not believe and reject Islam.
Those that survive are to be a lesser class, forced to pay a protection tax to their overlords.
Then, by all means, review and understand the Law of Abrogation. The War inducing passages of the Quran supercede the previous, peaceful verses.
I do believe that it has become a problem of ALL Religions being discriminated against.
The problem is ignorance of what is really EVIL!!!
Not ignorance (ignorance is eliminated by education) STUPIDITY (the PROOF is out there) that the muSLIMES are the perpetrators of these PLANNED MASS MURDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You STILL can NOT fix STUPID!!!!!!!
MSNBC lie to us daily like CNN, now their concerned about the muslims? Holy Cow, the innocent people and children mowed down by a religious nut brought here by the liberals.
Fuck NBC! Now if the Muslims really don’t want a backlash they need to stop these jihad’s and turn them in but they won’t because they are helping them with the funding and lobbying of our government. So any backlash will be there fault.
the reason the guy ran over the people was his interpretation of Islam and the only way this stops is when Islam stops saying to kill all Jews and Christians. And this is not going to happen
The Difference Between Islam and Christianity
Islam: Mohammed was the prophet of war.
Christianity: Jesus is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).
Islam: Mohammed’s disciples killed for the faith.
Christianity: Jesus’ disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2).
Islam: Mohammed promoted persecution against the infidels.
Christianity: Jesus forgave the chief persecutor infidels (I Tim.1:13-15).
Islam: Mohammad was the taker of life.
Christianity: Jesus is the giver of life (John 10:27-28).
Islam: Mohammad and his fellow warriors murdered thousands.
Christianity: Jesus murdered none but saved many thousands (John 3:16).
Islam: Mohammad’s method was compulsion.
Christianity: Jesus’ objective was voluntary conversion (Acts 3:19).
Islam: Mohammad practiced force.
Christianity: Jesus preached faith (John 6:29-35).
Islam: Mohammad was a warrior.
Christianity: Jesus is a deliverer (Colossians 1:13).
Islam: Mohammed was swift to shed blood.
Christianity: Jesus shed his blood for the salvation of many (Eph. 1:7)
Islam: Mohammad preached “death to the infidels!”
Christianity: Jesus prayed, “Father forgive them” (Luke 23:34).
Islam: Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels.
Christianity: Jesus achieved a holy victory on Calvary (CoI. 2:14-15).
Islam: Mohammed hated music.
Christianity: Jesus and His disciples sang hymns.
Islam: Islam requires followers to observe Five Pillars.
Christianity: Christianity is to follow Christ in peace (Romans 12:17).
Islam: Muslim’s believe Paradise is where virgins used for eternal pleasure.
Christianity: In my Father’s house there are many rooms (John 14:2).
Islam: Muslims are called upon by their faith to fight.
Christianity: Christians do not fight against flesh & blood (Ephesians 6:12).
Islam: Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic.
Christianity: Jesus said, “Go make disciples of all nations” (Mt. 28:19).
Islam: “Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them” (Qu’ran 8:12).
Christianity: The Bible is a manual to give Gospel to world (Rom.10:15).
Islam: Mohammed claimed there was but one god named Allah.
Christianity: Jesus claimed He was God (John 10:30).
Islam: Islam is centered in Mecca. Muslims pray facing Mecca.
Christianity: Jesus can be worshipped anyplace (Matthew 18:20).
Islam: Islam must be received, rejecters can be killed.
Christianity: Jesus offers a voluntary faith “Whosoever will” (John 3:16).
Islam: Muslims submit to Allah out of fear.
Christianity: Christians submit to Jesus in love (Romans 5:6-8).
Islam: Those who leave Islam can be executed in many nations.
Christianity: Christian love and restore those who leave (Gal. 6:1).
Islam: In Islam there is no love, but only fear.
Christianity: Christians are taught to love one another (Romans 3:18).
Islam: Mohammed’s tomb is occupied.
Christianity: Jesus’ tomb is empty! (Matthew 28:6).
I would change this one:
Islam: In Islam there is no love, but only fear.
Christianity: Christians are taught to love their neighbor (and not only if they are of their faith, but simply, “their neighbor.”)
More on how Muslims treat Christians: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
No faith can prevent the extremists of that faith from carrying out their dastardly deeds. Not Muslims. Not Christians. Same with any other group. They can & should condemn such acts & the terrorists that carry them out, & many do.
Seriously??!!?
The truth is: All of it is orchestrated for your entertainment — not enlightenment — by behind the scenes players whose intent is to do everything possible to set one group against another. It’s about Divide and Conquer. So don’t let it happen.
Not sure why people prefer to live a Bronze Age lifestyle these days, but there you are.
Let’s see, how can I say this. NBC was on the snotty end of Obama’s fuck stick for 8 years. Of course they love the worthless Muslims!
NBC is becoming a complete nut case. Poor Muslims. B.S.
The leftist media is amusing. First they try to tell us that all muslims are not violent but then in the next breath tell us all gunowers should be controlled because a few nuts using illegally obtained guns kill people.
Sure we have violence within our own citizens, that is terrible as well, but why should we have to add the worry of having Muslim radicals being in our country and one day waking up and murdering innocent citizens. I say the ban should go on ASAP, and stream vetting a must. Stop the stupidity!
Boycott NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, CNN etc at all times! The most unrealistic reporting for the last twenty years! They are traitors to everything America stands for!! I am sickened by their liberal progressive biased type of reporting and lies!!
How can these people side with the terrorists and not the victims and their families! It’s liberal insanity.
And now that traitor Bergdahl gets no jail time,
when he caused the death of other true American soldiers, I will not be able to listen to the mainstream communist media report and rejoice
in it!! Obama has blood on his hands as does the judge!! God bless America! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
He should have been given the death penalty and ALREADY been put in front of a FIRING SQUAD!!
He caused 5 soldiers to DIE by his DESERTION!!
Good…be afraid…Our Women own guns and I hear your book says if a woman kills you, you go to hell……
READY…..AIM……
Muslims want us converted or dead ! I prefer they be the ones eliminated from the face of the earth and I mean EVERY MAN WOMAN OR CHILD and will continue to believe this until they leave everyone alone to worship as they choose as it always has been here
Eight people died, many other people were injured only few days ago, there is a Killer already enjoying our hospitality in his comfy bed in the Hospital, while he is having all these privileges, he also wants an ISIS flag in his hospital room! As these events happening, one of the MAJOR FAKE NEWS NETWORK “NBC” wants to focus on the so called POOR MUSLIM People in America, according the NBC News real VICTIMS of terror! The very same ones who are every day planing how to destroy United States of America. There is no REMEDY for IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY of this Terrorist sided LIBERAL SOCIALIST FAKE NEWS NETWORK, NBC.
The Koran has 109 verses telling Islamists to kill non-believers. It condones killing. It condones lying to non-Muslims. Is this something good.? To me, it’s evil. Islam does not honor our Creator who made all living things. It honors a Moon God that a very uneducated founder 1500 years ago decided to put at the head of his organization. I would like to know why a “religion of peace”would tell its members they they would be rewarded with a ticket to paradise and 72 virgins for killing infidels? This is not a moral religion; it’s akin to a murderous cult.
Well, of course the sappy NYT wants to change the focus. Let’s ignore the abhorrent Muslim combination of religion, legal and governing system. Let’s further ignore the results of their migration their 7th Century Culture into 21st Century culturs – and the results they impose when their numbers become sufficient to be a force in a community – as well as their cowardly acts when are only a tiny portion of the population. No, we must not pay any attention to reality, only the wished for kumbyah of tolerance for the EVIL they represent!
The Mainstream Media IS LEFTIST and Controls the dispensation of news, as they see fit for public consumption. It has long been the standing of Socialist doctrine to ‘ Control the Press and in that, they ‘CONTROL PUBLIC OPINION’. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN owners are members of an elistist Leftist Establishment that IS in the business of dumbing down the public, using disinfo and misinfo…and like sheep, the ignornant and unsuspecting, gullible public buy their snewz stories hook, line, and sinker. The question is….how many are still sheeple and how many ‘still think for themselves’. ?? Look under ‘their’ carpets…and there, You’ll find their dirt.
America is at a crossroads…Either we support honesty and integrity in the Media..or we slide down that slippery path into a socialistic Oligarchy and you can kiss your Republic goodbye. With No Apologies Semper Paratus.
In order for Muslims to change Islam, THEY ALL have to want to change Islam.
Sympathy for the poor Muslims. I haven’t heard any Muslims being run down by trucks being bombed or beheaded by any non Muslims around the world. I will show sympathy when they stop spreading hate and terror and their barbaric acts.
I don’t give a fuck if they are doctors, lawyers of window washers muslims are sub human and need to be banned from America!
Peaceful Muslim is an oxymoron
The extremely low number of “blowback” pales in comparison to the number of people killed by Islamic terrorists, unless of course you believe groups like CAIR who claim every fart is an act against the Muslim community. Of course he was identified as a Muslim, because he was one. Just like all who commit acts of terror or serious crimes should be identified so others can understand the threat. That is the same as why we have statistics that list as many identifiers as possible. You can bet, if the guy had been white, these same cry babies would be yelling loud that he was white & it’s an all white conspiracy against the poor misunderstood MUslims.
if you are concerned that all muslims do not represent you then you should be involved in community action to change the way you are seen by americans, because we fear your horrible religious ways that are disguised as control and governing.
Yes, the people he ran over and then injured in the school bus are the “victims”…look it up in the dictionary NBC if you don’t know the meaning of the word. If the muslim community doesn’t want the backlash, then they need to step up to the plate in their own communities and reign in the radical islamic terrorists and straighten up their own people.
nbc has been junk news for decades.
So muslims are worried that they will be treated as they treat people – running them over, stabbing, shooting, blowing them up. These “people” never stop amazing me with their self-centred, poor me, I’m the real victim here attitude.
Our gov’t ought to close the mosque he was a part of. The killer needs to be put to death and his whole family should be deported. Something has to be done as they won’t change,as O has said,it’s in their DNA. They all claim to be victims but that’s a lie as we and other Americans are the true victims. A foreigner should not go to a different country and expect it to be what he left,especially here. More of us are Christians than muslim and a true Christian would never accept their sick ways of their cults.
Kudos to the author of this piece. I do not think the Muslim religion would exist without jihad and its violent dogma. It is such an essential belief that I don’t see a way the religion can be “reformed” as this article suggests. I think it must be eradicated in its entirety. I would be so pleased if the religion of Islam could be changed to completely rid it of hate. I do believe many Muslims just follow a religion they have grown up with and do not believe they are violent themselves, but as the article mentions, this cancer is the basis of the barbaric teachings. Without it, the religion would not survive. I hope I am wrong but the truth seems so simple. I do say this with hope and love for my fellow man. There is no justice for violence and killing in any religion or race.
ONLY GOOD MUSLIM IS A DEAD MUSLIM. WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING THEM SINCE AROUND 1800. THEY WILL NEVER GIVEUP!
read their koran,,says join us or we will kill you……how much clearer do you think it needs to be..they need to be banned from this country and all other free countries because they want to rule the world.do you want your women to be covered head to toe ???????????they want you to live by their shhit law…
Spot on. Until Muslims start finding out, apprehending, denouncing, handing to the authorities anyone and everyone among them who speaks in favor of jihad, subjugating infidels, decapitating those who do not submit to Islam, and so on and so forth, well, they are guilty because their silence condones such practices; and they are guilty by association also, etc., when a Imam starts preaching violence against non-Muslims. And they worry about their standing in the community and how they are perceived? Think not. The only thing they concern themselves with is, well, themselves. Show me a country where Muslims favor religious diversity, where Christian churches of any denomination, Buddhist or Shintoist temples, exist, and where Muslim people live peacefully side-by-side with believers of other religions. Can’t think of one! They shout Islamophobia and point fingers at Europeans or Americans, etc., who speak against their inane practices and beliefs, but in their own countries, they are the most intolerant, vicious, vile, brutal believers ever to walk the earth. Sorry, but I don’t buy their (most probably taqiyya) sorrowfulness. Want to learn a bit about how tolerant the religion of peace is? Check this out: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11299/muslim-persecution-christians-june
No! No! Muslim Americans who have done absolutely nothing wrong DO NOT DESERVE backlash! That’s like saying all whites DESERVE backlash after the Vegas shooting or this current church shooting. This article is WRONG and fosters divisness and hatred. That’s NOT what makes America great. It just brings us down to the level of the terrorists!
… speaking of checking meds ….
We still don’t know his motivation, but the victims and families are the tragedy.
And your check is in the mail, I am here to help you, I won’t pee in your mouth, and I have a NY bridge for sale. I have been in those filthy countries, still chopping heads
well with folk like you in th emilitary I now understand why we rarely win. God help us – do only the dumb join up?
Riddle me this, Batman.
How many SO-CALLED “moderate muslims” have been beheaded on TV or murdered in front of their families?
None? Correct!
AND Puh-leez don’t mention th the bloody Crusades.
My family has been in America since 1620. We were English farmers seeking good land to grow crops. I am the first generation of my family who did not make a living by pushing a mule through the dirt. We have been in Texas since we left Georgia when our friends the Cherokees were forced out. I live in Houston and have Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Atheist and Buddhist friends and neighbors. About half of my friends are black or Hispanic. All of my friends even those who are white live in the fear of uncertainty brought on by Trump’s policies. This not the America we were raised to expect. everything is polluted by greed and selfishness and narrow mindedness. Save America. Get rid of Trump by any means necessary.
Please check your meds.
1st generation NOT using mules?? Lol! Here since 1620 and obviously verry slow learners
Ted’s Parents https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0bd99ead6f3b4a822622ccd7c1d7c9d6eef6fd7bd70200a5cf1de5ea0ff1b86e.jpg
NBC sounds like BLM, pretending to be victims. I believe the Muslim are the silent killers for now. Currently, the Muslims pretend to be peaceful avoiding president Trump deporting them back to their invaded land in the Middle East. The Middle East belong to the Jews 3000 years before Mohammad’s men invaded it.
Muslims after the 9/11 in many cities of the US, they partied and celebrated the bombing of the infidels in NYC. A city near where I live, Muslims partied and celebrated, so as many other cities in the US including those in Palestine. I don’t trust Muslims because of the book Quran that orders them to kill all unbelievers.
How many innocent victims are now the victims.
Like BLM, they shout black lives matter when 81% of the whites are killed by blacks. And 97% of blacks are killed by their own blacks. E.g. Chicago, haven for black killers.
Innocent Muslims must stand up to the perpetrators of these crimes and exert some influence on them or they will be considered accomplices.
Muslim Americans are the problem if they want to be Muslim trash move to the desert in Iraq or Iran where they can love you.
All Americans who call call themselves Muslims should be seriously concerned about their relationship with that faith which calls itself ‘peaceful,’ but promotes violence and murder of innocents all over the world. They need to remember that Mohammed was a warlord in ancient Arabian who spread his self-created religion through violence and conquest , and that has never changed.
Until Islam is reformed from within, and the perpetrators of violence and murder are brought to justice, the situation will never change. Until that happens, American Muslims will have to accept that we will always be sceptical of them and their ways.
I did not realize, until last summer, that Ferdnan (sp) and Isabella of Spain drove the Muslims out (after 700 ? yrs), in 1492, same year they financed Chris Columbus boat ride, and other 2 “sail boats.”
What? American Muslims?. No such thing. Muslims do not belong in this country according to the 1950’s law still in effect. The American people are the victoms as long as these evil people are here
Why doesn’t NBC encourage our peaceful Muslim citizens to be more active in helping us get rid of the extremist, violent Muslims who corrupt their religion?
Figures that NBC would be in the vanguard to protect America’s enemies!
How many muslim-Americans have been killed in terrorist attacks? Any……anybody know………..hm, I wonder why.
Please give me a friggin’ break.
Isn’t it obvious by now that “Jimbosidecar” is either an Islamic apologist or a useful idiot and in either case a troll.
“As long as you remember that if you get involved in politics, you have to remember to be very careful that your leader is for Allah. You don’t get involved in politics because it’s the American thing to do. You get involved in politics because politics are a weapon to use in the cause of Islam.” Siraj Wahhaj
In fairness, at least the Muslims they spoke to understand that this is something that points directly AT THEM! They can’t hide from it. As the article says, it’s a cancer-and it runs deep. And if Muslim Americans don’t like being tarred with that brush, THEY are the ones who are going to have to change things. (I don’t see that happening, but I wish them the best to try.)
So they think they are victims ? Then leave this country and go bsack
If NBC had their way, every American would be lying dead in the streets. These liberal assholes have no idea of what a victim is. When a person can’t walk or bike down a city street without some terrorist plowing them down, then no one is safe, including Muslims. These nut jobs don’t care whom they slaughter.
Did anyone notice that Mr. Ahmad failed to say that he was ASHAMED of the people of his faith that perpetrate these crimes against innocent civilians? Did he say that they are COWARDS of the worse kind? Did he say that people of his religion should call out to these TERRORISTS that the bloodshed should stop? Did he suggest that people of his faith should be watchful of possible terror activity and NOTIFY THE AUTHORITIES? Did he say anything that would help the problem? NO! NO! NO! NO! and NO! All he was concerned about was the repercussion on Muslim’s. What all Muslim’s fail to take into account is how lucky they are that Christians (infidels) and all other beliefs are not prone to mass murder toward those who believe differently, otherwise there would be fewer Muslim’s! I pray that someday they will see the truth and act accordingly!!!
NBC and ALL their like ilk should be carpet bombed when fully full.
Behind the victims are those misunderstood Islamic’s. Let this help you understand!
Every (practicing) Islamist is subjugated to the Koran and Sharia Law and that demands they must both
.1 annihilate (by whatever means and however long it takes) all non-Islamic entities (Biblical believers, edifices and principles) not subjugated as they are, and
.2 reject and destroy any set of laws (USA’s Constitution, laws and the legislative and enforcement systems) not subjugated to Sharia law.
. To do so, all forms of lying, cheating, subterfuge, breaking of contracts, deception, murder, killings, terrorism and any anti-Biblical means that brings honor and glory to Allah (Satan) are praiseworthy to all Islamist. Hence Obama (a not so covert Muslim) and his peers never critiqued or condemned those actions unless it was ‘taqiyya’ (an approved form of deception to pretend they are offended while inwardly rejoicing and supporting such actions).
. Simply put, while many may deny it, every Islamist is a warrior and at war (to some degree) with every non-Islamist.
Too many Americans have not been educated (and have been blinded) to understand:
.1 the absolute hatred of the Islamic faith as taught in the Koran
.2 the beauty of and freedom provided our Constitution, legal system and principals of a Biblical world view.
. Every honest researcher and Biblical theologian must state that Satan authored the Koran as the antithesis to and counterfeit of God’s Bible.
For an excellent read, search “creationworldview Is Islam a Scientifically Valid Religion”
The liberals are always feeling sorry for the Muslims yet the throw a party if it’s a Christian that’s injured or killed. Why can’t people feel sorry for everyone injured or the families of all who are killed?
when the western world hears that these so called moderate muslims speak out against these atrocities from the followers of Islam then people will be more understanding of their concerns,so far they have in the large part been silent
ENTIRELY silent, not in large part …..
muslims in America is the dam problem
IS THIS PROOF ENOUGH THAT LIBERALISM IS STICK YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ASS STUPIDITY AND THAT WE NEED TO GET RID OF ALL THE MUSLIMS IN THIS COUNTRY !!! IF YOU WORSHIP THE KORAN YOU ARE AGREEING WITH WHAT IT PREACHES THAT ALL MUSLIMS MAY LIE TO THE INFIDEL AND IF HE DOES NOT CONVERT TO ISLAM SMOTE HIM IN THE NECK AND I DO NOT CALL THAT A RELIGION I CALL IT A MURDEROUS CULT OF DEATH AND ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS !!!!! VIETNAM VET
I’ll be gone.
20 years from now, I will be in Heaven -This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim. Make sure you read the paragraph (in red ) toward the end.
Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish
In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child. Consummating the marriage by 9.
The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.
Even though a woman is abused she cannot obtain a divorce. To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives ‘at will’ and he does not have to say why he has beaten her.
The husband is permitted to have (4 wives) and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.
The Sharia Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.
(In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in Canada, Australia, the U.S. And Britain To elect the heads of Government by themselves! Rest assured they will do so… You can look at how they have almost taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mich. is one and there are others….Britain has several cities now with Sharia Law controlled zones, totally controlled by Muslims)
I think everyone in Canada, Australia, the U.S. And Great Britain should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!
It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. The peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While Canada, Australia, the U.S.A. and Britain are getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on North America, Australia and Britain ……..
This is your chance to make a difference…! Pass it on to your email list or at least those you think will listen…
Some of those I’m sending it to WILL NOT! Put your head back under the covers AND DO NOTHING!
The best solution for all Muslims all over the free world that they should all move back to their original homelands and work hard to improve their society. If they think their religion is good enough, don’t just sit here and talk about
their concern that Muslim would become targets of violence.
When muslims in America (there is no such thing as a “Muslim American”) stand up and denounce islamic terrorism, then, and only then, will they be accepted by decent, civilized people. Their silence is nothing more or less than tacit approval of islamic atrocities!
If the Muslim Americans are worried about a backlash from the event of the deadly attack of those victims, I suggest that they go after the perpetrators and call the police!
Now come the Muslim apologists, both liberal and Muslim. Telling us that these subhumans are not really following the Qur’an and that 1400 years of Islamic terror upon the “infidel” is actually not really Islam.
Only the small Islamic populations in the West according to them actually understand how to interpret the Qur’an in its “proper context”. Verses like Surah 9:5 you see we just don’t understand I guess.
Meanwhile the murderous Jihad against Christians around the world continues.
I would love to hear an explanation of the “context” of this.
2:190 “Fight for the cause of Allah…””
2:216 “Warfare is obligatory for you, even if you dislike it.”
2:244 “Fight for the cause of Allah…”
3:151 “We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who do not believe (in Islam).”
4:76 “Those who believe fight for the cause of Allah.”
4:95 “Allah has granted a higher rank to those who fight with their wealth over those who sit at home.”
4:101 “The non-Muslims are an open enemy to you…”
4:89, 4:91 “then take them and kill them wherever ye find them”
4:104 “Relent not in pursuit of the enemy.”
5:33 “…enemies of Allah…will be killed or crucified…or have their hands and feet cut off.”
7:4 “How many a town have we destroyed…our terror came upon them.”
8:1 “The spoils of war belong to Allah and His”
8:12 “instil terror into the hearts of the non-Muslims…then smite their necks…”
8:39 “Make war until… all religion is that of Allah”
8:41 “…ye take the spoils of war…if ye believe in Allah.”
8:60 “Make ready all thou canst of force…”
8:65 “O Prophet exhort the believers to battle…because the non-Muslims are a people without intelligence.”
8:67 “It is not… to have captives…till slaughter is made in the land.”
8:74 “Those who believed and left their homes behind to fight for the cause of Allah…these are true believers.”
9:5 “Kill the unbelievers wherever ye find them, take them, besiege them and lie in ambush for them everywhere.”
9:14 “Fight them, Allah will punish them at your hands.”
9:29 “Fight the non-Muslims…until they pay a (monetary) tribute with surrender.”
9:41 “Go forth, heavily or lightly armed…”
9:73 “Make war on the non-Muslims…”
9:111 “…believers… shall fight for the cause of Allah and so kill and be killed…”
9:123 “O ye who believe, fight those unbelievers who are near to you…”
25:14 “…pray for many destructions…”
25:52 “Do not listen to unbelievers, but fight forcefully against them.”
33:59
33:60, 61 “We verily shall urge thee on against them… Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter”
47:4 “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks…and those who die fighting for the cause of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.”
48:20 “Allah promises you much booty you will capture…”
48:29 “Those who follow Mohammed are merciless with disbelievers…”
60:4 “…having renounced you non-Muslims, enmity and hatred is between us forever…until ye believe in Allah.”
61:10-11 “O ye who believe. Shall I show you a covenant that will save you from a painful doom? Ye should believe in Allah and His messenger and should fight for the cause of Allah with all your wealth and with the lives of your people. This is best for you if you knew it.”
5:101 “Ask not questions about that which has been made plain…”
4:47 “The commands of Allah must be carried out!”
9:20 “Those who believe, have left their homes and used their wealth to fight for the cause…are of much greater worth… These…achieve Allah’s salvation.”
48:16 “Ye will be called…to fight…if ye turn away…He will punish you with a painful doom.”
69:41 “It (the Koran) is not poet’s speech.”
3:132, 4:59, 8:20 “Obey Allah…”
Most of the problems in our country either started or escalated when nobama was elected.He allowed b.l.m.and muslims free reign,and they stepped right up.He bashed the people of law enforcement.He created and passed laws to further his agenda.He duped a lot of people into thinking that he was going to save the world.WRONG.
NBC should be taken off the air until they become rehabilitated!
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THIS MUSLIM PLANT STARTED IT ALL!!!!!
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Anyone with a good education knows NBC is the propaganda voice of socialism/communism, which both hates the GOD of the universe. The leaders of this communication station cares nothing about America. Every employee they hire, at NBC, has a philosophy of down grading the base of the America society. The “white Christians” need to be removed from society, specially the American pride of freedom and Christianity. If the so called word Christian doesn’t clean up their thinking, America will fall the same direction as other countries and societies. In the name of our GOD, Christians need to take up the power to defend GOD with every fiber knowledge and understanding given to us by HIM. With the Christians doctrines unable to provide leadership for our society, we will fall. Thus, NBC and other media rebels will destroy America in the name of “Minorities”, using GOD words to make us feel bad about taking up for our freedom. Wake American men and women, we are no better than any other society who pushed GOD away. America will follow the same faith as did others who want follow GOD’s will.
I have not heard any stories about Muslims being raped, shot or killed by people of other faiths. Nor have I heard any Mulims speaking out against these attacks or doing anything to help afterward.
Attacks on mosques in U.S. and Canada in news quite recently.
You won’t if your information sources are places like Fox, Drudge, Breitbart or WND.
Read this one…
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/fbi-muslim-outreach-terrorism-213765
I read it. Did not mention anyone being physically harmed unless I read it wrong
I am sorry…I normally block quote what people say so they know which of their statements I am responding to.
I meant this as a response to you saying that, “Nor have I heard any Mulims speaking out against these attacks…”
The point of this article is to show you that mainstream Muslims not only speak against attacks, they help the FBI when it comes to stopping the extremists.
Now, while the numbers are not nearly what you see in the MSM, there are examples of Muslims being attacked and/or them helping those of other religions.
Here are a few…
http://religionnews.com/2017/05/14/christian-militias-kill-up-to-30-muslim-civilians-in-central-african-republican/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/muslims-christians-philippines-marawi-isis-flee-seige-a7771126.html
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/01/30/two-texas-mosques-burned-ground-january/
This one gives me hope…
http://time.com/4657876/texas-mosque-fire-jewish-christian-communities-help/