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Bill Would Let Victims Sue “Gun-Free” Establishments
Posted On 19 Jan 2016
Over the past few years, there has been a remarkable correlation between many high profile mass shootings and the “gun-free” policies in place where these tragedies unfolded. To a nearly exclusive degree, mass shooters have targeted institutions and establishments where guns are strictly forbidden. Is that a coincidence? Or are these regulations actually drawing psychopaths like flies to honey?
In Tennessee, a new bill would give citizens the right to sue properties with “gun-free” policies if they are injured by gun violence while inside the establishment. Sponsored by Republican state senator Dolores Gresham, the bill aims to put property owners on notice: Let visitors lawfully carry guns or be held liable for the consequences.
“It is the intent of this section to balance the right of a handgun carry permit holder to carry a firearm in order to exercise the right of self-defense and the ability of a property owner or entity in charge of the property to exercise control over governmental or private property,” says the bill.
The bill is limited, which is to the credit of the Tennessee Republicans who authored it. This isn’t a sweeping NRA-driven piece of legislation. The bill specifically limits those entitled to sue to only those people who are already licensed to carry a firearm. And it further limits liability to only those circumstances where, if the plaintiff had been armed, he might have had a chance to stop the gunman.
Naturally, the left is going to attack this kind of legislation with everything in their power. Democrats are trying to accomplish the exact opposite; a new bill in the House of Representatives seeks to erase immunity for gun manufacturers. But when you really look at these initiatives side by side and take politics out of the equation, there’s no question about which one is rooted in common sense. Gun manufacturers have no reasonable liability when some crazed killer uses their weaponry. It’s preposterous. On the other hand, if a gun owner is forbidden from exercising his Second Amendment rights and then gets hurt or killed because he couldn’t protect himself…well, why shouldn’t the property owner be forced to defend his “gun-free zone” in a court of law?
It’s actually depressing that it has come to this. The issue of gun rights has become so politicized that it’s hard to find the truth anymore. That’s by design. The Democrats have obfuscated the facts for so long that the average American doesn’t even know what to think. As it happens, this issue is not nearly as complicated as the left would have the country believe. Americans have, by constitutional demand, the right to bear arms. The right to protect themselves from harm. Liberals want to take that right away, and they are willing to stoop to any level to achieve their goals.
With any luck, bills like the one making its way through the Tennessee Senate will prevail over the forces of tyranny.
Boy am I happy to be a resident and gun owner in Tennessee. Sounds as if their legislators are apart from the typical corruption.
If a person wants the terrorists to win on American soil then the smart thing to do would be take the guns away. And that way it will make it easier for the middle eastern country that just bought thousands of farm land in 3 different states to bring in their disguise of workers to till the soil, use the scarce water available in CA (1790 acres in that state alone), AZ and another one. They will be raising grain crops to ship to their country, no shipping fees as they have their own ships, can hire and or hide many people on that size properties. We, on the other hand pay farmers here to not plant crops or you get fined if you don’t use the subsidies and actually grow food (see the potential for food shortages in our future?). They won[t be ” hiring” white, black, hispanic workers to till the soil if they are christians, be it catholic or protestant…So, by all means, take the guns from the PEOPLE of the US so they can’t defend themselves. By the way, the entity that purchased all this land, the ruler of the country is the one obama bowed to. They don’t have to pay for crops raised and shipped but we will still be BUYING oil from them, especially after our oil companies are driven out of business. Sounds like a plan, let us remove the guns and not block the total success of foreign powers. Who was it that started NAFTA? The name is on the tip of my tongue. We should have elected Bob Barker president when he was big, at least when he said ‘come on down’ he was talking to OUR citizenry..Paul Revere must be rolling over in his grave, if he can turn at all with all those forefathers trying to roll over at the same time.No one can ride through the countryside saying “The terrorists are coming, the terrorists are coming”, because we are not allowed to call them by name and we probably will have eaten the horses by that time, emp’s won’t allow you to drive your car and you won’t be able to fire a shot to get someone’s attention to help you..How’s that for history trying to repeat itself. On the plus side we can always beat the guns into plowshares to till the soil but we will probably be the pickers eventually, for free. Down with the guns, I say..sic..I don’t own a gun and I don’t watch the stockmarket, but I do watch the farming reports. It doesn’t take rocket science mentality to see the hand writing on the wall on this.
Yup, take away the guns from the law-abiding citizens so the foreigners and the Muslims can take us over; or perhaps, it could even be our own government that would force itself upon us by finding a way to remove the first two amendments, if the govt gets that corrupt (I hope it never does). More and more it’s War on Christians (Protestant or Catholic). Anything goes, except Christianity, especially in our public schools, no matter that our founding fathers were by and large Christians and the worldview they had was from Judeo-Christian ethics, morals, traditions, and economy. I’m sure our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves to see what’s going on in our nation now. And Obama refuses to say the words, “Islamic terrorists.”
That’s cause Obama IS an “Islamic terrorist” in sheep’s clothing!!
There is no level too low for a democrat to stoop.
Once upon a time, many moons ago, the Democrats were the conservatives and the Republicans were a bit to the left….what the heck happened? My mom and dad were both Democrats and they would not even recognize their own party today and would have become Ronald Reagan Republicans in a heart beat.
Why can’t both parties just be Americans?
Because we are no longer ‘America’ ….. we are now Africa, Mexico, the Middle East…..that is what happened. I’m starting to understand why China has closed borders.
Agreed.
That was before the 1960’s when the Communist Party of America decided to stop nominating a communist candidate for president because as they stated “we no longer need to nominate a candidate because the democrat party has adopted our platform”.
And now there is a bonified commie running. No more hiding in the closet Bernie.
Bernie is not a problem in my mind. I believe that most people see through his snake oil talk. Of course we did end up voting for one who is much worse than Bernie who grew up with the communist philosophy on both sides of the family. Then combine that with Islam and we have a real problem that will take years to fix. When we get to the point where many of the citizens of the nation are willing to live off the efforts of those who are working we have a real problem on our hands.
Don’t be too sure, most liberals can’t see past their noses
OldHighlandGuyOne … because there is a MARXhu Akbar agenda!
MARXISM: “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”; sounds great until someone with the intelligence of a retarded gnat asks: WHO gets to decide?
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” – this is the philosophy of Communism. “From each according to desire, to each according to merit” – this is the philosophy of the free enterprise way, the American way (or it was until more recent years). These were quotes from my high school American history teacher, Mr. Sochia. He knew what he was talking about.
But they will keep searching for that low.
Some Republicans aren’t much of a bargain either
True enough, a progressive in either party sucks.
Liberal or RINO makes me angry.
Pass that bill around to other States and jump on the train. This bill should be law, Screw those left libturds if they don’t like guns they should move to an island where gun’s are banned and see how long they would last. The thugs and gang bangers would eat them up
I’d suggest Australia but they require immigrants to have $$ before they come in…lol
Or at least a marketable skill.
That is why so many come here; Obama has opened the door for them – they know if they come here they will be protected against our laws intended to manage their being here (for and against), that we will feed them, see they have shelter, send their kids to school, see they get medical attention, and are not discriminated against in housing and jobs (regardless of what our laws say).
They know too, if they are caught in the U.S. illegally they will end up going to an Immigration Judge who will hear their story then send them back out onto the street while the judge decides what to do with them. Those immigrants will then be free to rome our country for a few months to a few years until they return to court (some disappear into our “American Shadow’s” and never go back to court.
Meanwhile, they end up having babies; with their spouse or someone else; two or three years back there was an article saying there were something like 21,000 babies fathered by illegal aliens in this country that can not be identified or located and the American Tax Payers are paying for both the baby and the mothers support. Those babies becomes a U.S. citizen so when it comes time to deport the illegals they whine, snivel and complain that we are breaking up families; and Obama supports all that crap .
We NEED – #1 – Streamline Immigration Courts and processing and eliminate this long drawn out process of allowing illegals to remain in our country/
and –
#2 – We truly need to amend the constitutional “bumper baby” mess. A baby born on U.S. soil to anyone illegally in this country, or here on any temporary Visa, will not be considered a legal U.S. citizen.
Yes, and here they call them “anchor babies.”
Is Ted Cruz a Canadian Anchor baby?
OK, How about kenya and obummer can go and visit them
mike …. yep, he should be right at home there ….
At least one state has their rectums! I have concieled Carry. I have never been questioned about a gun. But don’t flash it either. When I go to VA. you can’t have a gun on their property, So only place I do not carry! I do not like going there without a gun. But can’t afford to loose my VA. benifits.
I and our son have been to the VA a lot and there are a lot of unstable vets running around there. Nice guys but unstable. Some of them are even my friends.
I would also feel better if I had a weapon on me as would our son but . . . . . .
God Bless our Vets!!! I’d be unstable too if I had to fight for my country’s freedom and see all the atrocities they have had to see…. only to come home and see that my country has been handed over to a muslim president who prioritizes Obamacare for the sidewalk shufflers over the care for our vets. I keep praying for that lightening bolt on the golf course.
Excellent idea! Hold people accountable!
Keep it nice and logical. Let’s not give the liberals any room to whine about our posts/comments.
I would like to see the Kentucky law so I could decide for myself if it is a good one.
I do, however, agree with what I see so far. I should have the right to defend myself and family and friends and neighbors.
The liberals would make us all victims and the business owners would eventually be victims as well.
There, was I nice enough?
After all of Huessin’s over the border regufee-terrorists get here and he sets up ‘no go zones’ I say send all the liberals to live in ‘gun free zones’.
I doubt there were any proponents of a gun free zone at Lexington and Concord although the Brits tried to make it gun free.
It’s not a remarkable correlation at all, it’s only human nature. A wolf will target the old and weak in a herd because they are easy prey. Criminals and crazies are the same way, the animal instinct takes over and they make a considered decision to target a place where there will be little to no resistance. Put a sign on your front lawn that reads, “Not home today and the doors are unlocked” and see what happens. “Gun free” zones are an invitation disaster and the establishments should have to pay the wages of their folly.
In many places it is illegal for a bar tender to serve a person who is, or appears to be intoxicated. The bar tender and the establishment can be held liable for the actions of the intoxicated person.
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The next step beyond that is a car dealer being held responsible for a driver who has a record of too many speeding violations and is then involved in an auto accident where significant injury or death occurs.
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Maybe we should push to have a law passed that says when American people are freezing to death, starving, dying because they can not get necessary medical attention, or kids fail to get decent jobs because or schools “pushed them” through the process; we can sue those Elected Officials who supported Jobs For Illegals, those companies who moved jobs overseas and a president who has turned his back on the American workers while favoring the illegals! !
Agreed!
Reminds me of the two NY neighbors. One was vociferously Anti-2A while his next door neighbor was just as outspokenly Pro-2A. A-2A did everything, including suing him, to try to force P-2A to relinquish his guns but the court told A-2A that P-2A was legally exercising his 2A rights. P-2A then put a sign up on his front lawn letting passersby know that if anyone had any intention of committing a crime HE was armed, but his gun hating [anti 2A] next door neighbor was not. He also said that if someone chose to target THAT house instead, HE would not use his guns to try to stop them.
A-2A was furious and once again tried to sue P-2A over the sign. Once again the law was on the side of P-2A because the sign was legally far enough within his property line in all directions that he was LEGALLY exercising his 1A rights that his 2A rights protected! The sign stayed up.
I stay out of any and all gun free zones except when I go to shop on a military installation where I am prohibited concealed carry. That should be reversed.
Gun free zone signs may as well read come on in and kill as many people as you want to, there is nobody here to stop you!
Good for Tennessee, it’s about time somebody stood up to these lame brained idiot liberals and do away with this deathly rule!
and where are the gun free zones , on public land, controled by the government , so every cash settlement will be paid for by the tax payers, and the freaks that are responcible get off scott free
The majority of gun free zones I have seen were private businesses such as restaurants, movie theaters, stores. While firearms are not permitted in government buildings, those buildings provide armed police protection.
Dick … try downtown Chicago …
Excellent bill. Hope it passes. I plan to write my state legislators to show them what responsible law makers should do. This should be a federal law as well but we know Congress won’t touch it since they are all socialists.
Any business choosing to be gun free is making a bad choice. That choice is setting their customers up as crime victims. A sign has no effect on a criminal.
National statistics verify that licensed carriers are less likely to commit a crime than law enforcement people. Anyone licensed to carry (LTC) a handgun (concealed or openly) has been very thoroughly vetted by the state.
To openly carry a handgun in Texas, a person is vetted the same as concealed carry and accepts the further restriction that law enforcement may stop them at any time to verify their LTC. It is therefore prudent and logical that a person not licensed to carry will not openly carry due to the higher possibility of being stopped by the police. Make no mistake that there are criminals among us carrying concealed. The result is that open carriers are even more likely (99.99%) to be the good guy who willingly puts his life on the line to protect citizens.
The more open carriers the better. Lots of open carriers send a very clear picture to would-be criminals to forget committing their crime because there is a higher probability that they will be stopped. This is the same logic as criminals not committing a crime when uniformed police are present. Citizens and businesses need to realize that open carriers are an effective, no-cost supplement to police that does have a positive effect on reducing crime. Businesses would be better off with a welcome open carriers sign.
I agree with all you say John, except a gun free zone is an attractant to criminals to perform their atrocities there.
A gun-free America in 1941 would have resulted in all of us speaking Japanese today. The only reason that Japan did not invade the US on the west coast is that they knew there would be a citizen with a gun behind every tree to oppose them. The same argument still holds today except that we will all be branded infidels and bow to Sharia Law. Why do you think Obama is working so hard to confiscate weapons the same way Hitler did in Germany. Obama is not interested in stopping crime, he wants to destroy the US. Learn the lessons of history, please.
You are absolutely right! My father-in-law was an ex WW II man in the Army Air Corps. He told us that the reason that the Japanese did not invade our west coast after their attack on Pearl Harbor was because they knew that a lot of Americans owned guns. Tojo said (paraphrased), “We knew a lot of you Americans had guns, and you crazy Americans would be shooting at us from behind every building, rock, and tree.” Obama seeks to weaken the US because we are the big bad whitey nation that wants to go around bossing the world around, in his opinion. He looks at us as forcing our way into other nations to take their resources without paying for them (a lie on both counts). His Kenyan Shia Muslim father hated Winston Churchill and he spoke to one of Obama’s classes about how bad the US was – and we noticed that Obama gave back the bust of Churchill to England. If he can get more Muslims in here, Obama can show the world how much “better” he made America. Iran is a Shia Muslim nation. It is part of the Koran that Muslim immigrants should seek to establish Sharia Law wherever they go. I had one admit it to me, several years ago.
Why do you think CAIR is so highly regarded by Obama and his administration. CAIR is fighting for the right to establish sharia law in our country. Look at those Muslim communities around the twin cities in Minnesota and Dearborn, MI.
I am an infidel and I have the t shirt to prove it.
God bless you!
And I am a vet and I have the card to prove it. Thanks infidel and I like the t-shirt idea.
Vote for an American this time!
I voted for one last time but he was a Mormon and the election went to the Kenyan.
Actually the law should be if you have a valid CCW permit from any jurisdiction in the USA you are allowed to carry anywhere you go, on a plane, in a bar, at the White House – ANYWHERE! You have established you are a law aiding Citizen, have training, have complied with all gun laws, are mentally well, have no legal disabilities – you should be allowed to carry your CCW anywhere in the entire USA at any time! Of course, you will need to ID that you are a CCW permittee and that you are armed, but that is all! Take away gun free zones and you fix the problem. Gun owners will help law enforcement in ridding the earth of the scumbags who attack innocent people.
The business owner that bans legally concealed weapons would, thereby, assume responsibility for the safety of customers of the business. It would be the business owner’s responsibility to have armed security for that unlikely circumstance of needing that armed security.
That Gun Free Zone sign would cause me to go elsewhere or simply violate their posting. I sign that merely requests that I keep my concealed gun concealed would draw me to that business.
I have a blind spot with some signs, those signs in particular, I have been packing for over 50 years, I never went anywhere without it, Chicago, N.Y. City, D.C., L.A., in every state in the Union except AK. I’ve never been there, military bases, courthouses, foreign countries, last year I went through a petscan with one on me. It’s all about concealment, don’t leave the house without it, I never do.
Good idea that other states should take up. Any citizen should be able to sue someone who, through their policies, denied my civil rights, made me a victim and has caused me harm. It is in the same ballpark as being able to sue a manufacturer for a faulty product that has caused harm.
This is why I do not pay attention to those signs. I carry full time unless going into a school or federal or state building that does not permit it. Gun Free to a criminal means shooting range. Its not hard to figure out why I carry all the time now days.
Isn’t it amazing (ly stupid) that so many people who can’t even tell you in which country Mt. Rushmore is located, and who want to trade Constitutional Law for sharia law despite not being able to tell you one thing about sharia law, but are able to understand the constitutional amendment that allows them to be as obnoxious as they desire, and who also believe women should be allowed to have a 36 month post natal abortion should also be the ones who ‘dictate’ what Americans can and cannot be allowed to do to defend their OWN constitutional rights. That’s the power of bellowing–which has nothing to do with being right. Or even intelligent. Some of the most educated people I’ve ever met have also been totally lacking in common sense.
This bill is long overdue. I am so sick & tired of people who want to defend themselves being berated and hated upon by liberals, whose inept policies are making the need for self defense more & more necessary. The left is destroying everything that made this country great. They need to be stopped!
Sure, pass the bill and when the police have to go in let them shot and kill everybody with a gun! Let God sort them out! I’m from Canada. They have lots of guns there. The difference is that Canadians don’t worship guns!
And Canadians have gun controls that seem to work. Remember, your second amendment was based on English Common Law. An Englishman at the time of the Revolution had the right to bear arms. The founding Father copied a lot of laws from Great Britain because the Founding Fathers were originally subjects of the British Crown (King George III). There were not that many original new ideas in the Constitution! An Amendment is only an Amendment, it can be changed. The provision for changes is in the original written Constitution.
WAKE UP CALL … I do NOT need a license or permit to exercise my RIGHT OF SELF-DEFENSE! And that includes my person, family, associates, papers and possessions …
Even when it requires resisting our TOTALLY OUT-OF-CONTROL ‘government’ at all levels …
This is one of the best bills I have seen lately, and I am all for it!
When they force you to leave your gun in the car , they should be in charge of your safety !
SOUNDS LIKE THE PROS AND THE CONS ARE GONNA WIN THIS FIGHT IS ANY ONE CAN FIGURE OUT WHOM TO SHOOT FIRST??
That’s just it – DEMOCRATS ARE TYRANNICAL BULLIES on this subject of our 2nd Amendment Rights!!!!!
It’s all about POWER & CONTROL with the democrats. It’s always there way or NO WAY!!!
They do not know how to compromise nor do democrats possess any common sense! It’s not in their DNA!!!
Democrats – the party of Death, Destruction, Perversion, and Ungodliness!!!
Sounds like a plan to me. Bring it up here to Kentucky. We’re just next door. It would be especially helpful in the liberal cesspool known as Louisville.
If I were the owner of a tavern type establishment, I would not allow firearms, at all. Drunk people have poor judgement. However, I would have an armed bouncer for protection.
The rights of the business proprietor count, as well. It’s only fair. If you see the “guns not allowed” sign, and disagree, goes somewhere else. Respect works both ways.
It should be titled: ‘A PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS NIGHTMARE!’ Shalom!
I hope this bill passes. As for the Libs wanting to end “immunity for gun manufactures,” wow! Wouldn’t that imply that the manufactures of women’s hose be responsible if someone strangles another person, or hang one’s self with a pair? Oh, what a tangled web “the Libs” weave.
I like the idea! For too long, gun owners have been forced to accept the brunt of the Liberals anti-gun assault. It will be interesting to see how they dodge, twist and turn and lie to get around this.
Obama can try to take our guns but the truth of the matter is that he will never get our Guns because as long as the Constitution is strong the 2nd Amendment will always be there for all Americans to enjoy. Just one thing we Americans need to do to keep our Constitution strong and that is to get out there with your friends, with your clubs, with just any organization that are good freedom loving people that want to keep their freedoms to get out and protest and raise hell in Washington DC in front of the Rainbow House and really raise hell with banners telling Obama you know that White and Black man that wants to destroy America. Tell him to go back to Africa to the place that he was really born.
I say require ALL ANTI GUNNERS to surrender all their guns Revoke their CCW permits, and prohibit them from hiring, or being assigned armed security! This would apply to all American politicians from the president to the city councils. The Secret Service and Congressional Security Police would be disbanded, and merged into law enforcement agencies. Further anyone belonging to or supporting organizations who advocate banning, confiscating, and/or destroying private firearms, and outlawing carrying firearms. Should have their “right”
to own or carry revoked,and be denied any “right” to hire or be assigned armed security! Further prohibit introducing any anti gun legislation unless and until ALL FIREARMS LAWS ARE FULLY FUNDED AND
ENFORCED FOR EVERYONE EQUALLY, OR REPEALED!!! Let’s see if anti-gunners have the courage of their convictions then!
I guess they can sue – if they are alive after the shooting. Great Idea though and 100% behind it – especially for women to carry.
Huh, ya can’t refuse to bake a cake for a faggot but you can refuse the 2nd amendment to bear arms???
“In Tennessee, a new bill would give citizens the right to sue properties with “gun-free” policies if they are injured by gun violence while inside the establishment.”
If injured by a gun carrying civilian during gun violence in an establishment can they sue the shooter and/or the establishment? Why do people today think there is more reason to tote a gun than there was in the wild west–Dodge City and Tombstone come to mind?
It’s about time the gun banners received equal treatment with the stuff they like to dish out.
Let’s be clear about 3 things. One, gun control laws are not and never have been about public safety. That is smoke and mirrors. Gun control is and always will be about the safety of those that rule. The first serious gun control laws appeared as part of the Jim Crow Laws passed by entrenched southern Demorat politicians soon after the Civil War in an effort to protect their power from freed slaves. Two, guns are not the real issue here. If one constitutionally protected liberty can be arbitrarily modified or ignored, so can and so WILL all others. That is a fact of life. Three, the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment, which very few people realize, was intended by the Founding Fathers to be a last line of defense against the kind of government they knew would eventually evolve. This liberty has absolutely nothing to do with hunting or sports. It has everything to do with the likes of Obama.
When I go into a place with a gun free sign, I make a quick trip to my car and get my gun so I can protect me and anyone else, and most of these places don’t know I am packing. If r every one with a permit would do this we would stop a lot of wantabes. It’s not my gun that kills it is the aim. Oh help me I just stirred up a bees nest, ouch ouch.
This started with crazies and schools , a lot of unprotected people , there crazies not stupid enough to attack police stations !
in my humble opinion, this bill is wonderful. In fact, I think it should be a federal law. If I am injured in the space that a business man is ‘responsible’ for why should I be on the hook if some madman decides to play Billy Badass, and I get injured. I believe that a business has a total obligation to protect customers legally in the space, and if someone injures a legal customer, the business person is neglectful if they do not provide adequate secuity, and should then reimburse me for medical bills, pain and suffering, and more.
As I have mentiones before, OB does not care who gets shot, his goal is to disarm the people and our armed forces so the gov, can become tyrannical. That is OB’s goal. He is by definition a commie and muslim. Why do you think, he wants all those “refugees to come in? The more muslims, the easier it will be for him to declare martial law should the peole finally wake up and uprise against the admimistration. once he declares martial law, he can cancel the electionand therefore stay in power indefinetly. { Just a little prediction}.
This might change a few minds. I already know people with a case. If you prevent me from defending myself you better protect me or take your chances and pay for what your actions have caused. Leave it to liberal logic to screw up something so simple. Not to mention the hypocrisy of “as long as I’m protected, you are on your own.” Not surprised that other media haven’t picked up on this since most are mouthpieces for the lib’s movement.