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GOP Failure on Obamacare Will Lead to American Socialism
Posted On 14 Sep 2017
The Republican Party’s failure to repeal and replace Obamacare has given Democrats in the Bernie Sanders wing of the party the opportunity they’ve been waiting for. The opportunity that was, indeed, built right into the Affordable Care Act from the beginning. The opportunity to take the (intentionally) failing husk of Obamacare and build upon it the first vestiges of a socialist American healthcare system. And we are seeing the beginning stages of that construction in Congress today.
On Wednesday, Sen. Sanders introduced his much-ballyhooed “Medicare for All” bill to a nauseating amount of support within the Democratic Party.
“Instead of wasting hundreds of billions of dollars trying to administer an enormously complicated system of hundreds of separate insurance plans, there would be one insurance plan for the American people with one single payer,” Sanders said.
For an idea that has long lingered on the fringes of the Democratic Party, Sanders’ version of socialized medicine has attracted some big-name supporters. While the leadership remains skeptical, heavy hitters like Kamala Harris of California and Cory Booker of New Jersey – both of them potential 2020 presidential contenders – have thrown their support behind the bill. And while we don’t particularly need to worry about Sanders’ bill becoming law, the fact that it is getting this much mainstream support shows that Republicans are in danger of losing this fight…big league.
Like many of the left’s big ticket ideas, universal healthcare is one of those concepts that is depressingly easy to sell in sound-bite messages to the lowest of the low-information voting public. Why WOULDN’T you want free healthcare? Wouldn’t you love to stop worrying about that pesky health insurance bill at the end of the month? And hey, if you make less than X, it’s probably not going to cost you a dime. In fact, if your employer is currently taking money out of your check to pay for your insurance, you’ll almost certainly come out ahead.
This is populism 101, and it is dangerously effective – especially in the age of short attention span America.
This country was founded on the principle of opportunity. But thanks to some extraordinary failures on the conservative side of the political divide, it is quickly becoming a country based on giveaways. Not only are we created equal, we are being forced to live equal, regardless of our individual ambitions, skills, and desires. We are being turned into a mass collective, controlled and cared for by an all-knowing, all-wise State.
We’re not sure where the “point of no return” might lie, but universal healthcare could very well be it. We need Republicans to start telling the unvarnished truth about what such a scheme would do to this country, and we need them to start getting very good at it. Because right now, we are losing this extraordinarily important war of messaging. And this is one battle we cannot afford to lose. Literally.
Bernie Sanders can go to hell along with Hillary and Obamer
Keep us posted on when you can add something intelligent to the discussion.
What’s the matter, I hit A nerve, you must be A Clinton or Sanders Or Obama supporter.
None of the three are fit to be called Americans!🇨🇱
NOT SO……….YOUR ATTITUDE REFLECTS YOUR BRAIN BEING ZAPPED…….
Granny, stop your screaming! If we get socialized medicine you can kiss your timely healthcare goodbye and if you are really sick they might even decide you are not fit to live any longer! People don’t realize that not everything is paid under that type of system and how could it be? It would bankrupt the Country in short order. We are fiscal Conservatives who want this Country to learn from others mistakes.
We are already at that point with health care , insurance is dictating treatment and meds you can have .
So you are happy with this country, the United States, having the 37st ranked healthcare system, while such powerhouse countries like CUBA, ITALY, OMAN, CHILE and let’s not forget CYPRUS have a better system then we do. You real want that? If you want to suffer with inferior care and over price healthcare system then stay with the current model. It would take to much thought to move us into the 21st century and go to a single payer system. Get your head out of your ass and stop believing the BS from big Phar and insurance companies who are callus only concerned with profits.
Where does your information come from and where is the proof? Do you really believe if we go to a single payer healthcare system we will live happily ever after? Who is paying for all that with 75 Million people on Medicaid and they don’t have the income to pay taxes. Even if the President increases the tax rate on the Millionaires and Billionaires there aren’t enough of them to keep us from going further into debt. We don’t want to impose this onto our great grandchildren. Obviously you did not think that through and you are more than willing to accept freebies. Someone has to pay for it and when the Country goes bankrupt we all lose!
So are happy with the 37th best, but most costly healthcare system. I am not.There is an alternative. Tell me how much do you pay for your health coverage? What if you could cut that in half and also receive better healthcare, with no tax increase? As American we pride ourselves on being #1 I all the positive things, why are you happy being ranked 37 behind such nations like Cyprus San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore and OMAN
You seem to have a mental block because you’re quoting the same thing over and over. Let’s take Singapore, they are rich and can afford to give free healthcare to their citizens (if indeed they do)! America is so far in debt already and 75 Million already get free healthcare, how much longer do you think this can go on? With one payor system you will have a very hard time getting care and a lot of doctors will go to concierge care because they can’t make a living with the poor reimbursements. I’m on Medicare and pay $114/month premium and have a $6,500 deductible and I get just enough not to qualify for Medicaid which I would not want under any circumstances. The pool of doctors accepting Medicare or Medicaid is shrinking rapidly and God help you if we get Socialized medicine.
I have no mental block. I am open minded. I see a system that failed us and want to see it fixed/ Your only concern is cost, not lives. From what you say, you are ready to allow people to to be denied treatment because they have no money.
May I ask what is the richest country most powerful country in recorded history? Would that be Singapore? Why not they give their people great healthcare. In fact, all 36 nations that have better healthcare must be richer that USA. Get real, USA ranks so low because we can less for the common good and more for are super rich.
Where did you get the idea of a $6,500 deductible with Medicare? Part A has somewhere around $1500 Part B pays 80% with a vert small deduct
I’m so done with you! My deductible is $6,500 and my monthly statement always lists how much of it I’ve met so don’t tell me your BS. Furthermore, what will you say if your medical treatment is denied because we have socialized medicine? Something given for free is never fully appreciated and tends to be abused!
Helga, Sorry you don’t like the truth. I have Medicare also and my deductible was recently satisfied after a 5 day stay in hospital and that was $1,500, so I have no idea what you are referring to when you claim $6,500.
You last few statement I must admit are nonsense, the result of faulty knowledge. Under any healthcare system some coverage by regulation can be denied. And how are you going to abuse your healthcare> Are you knowingly get sick? Get real.
well dutchet: these are issue that are being dealt with by a single payer system
well Helga Miller:
So what do you say to medical service and coverage being denied to needy people who can’t get the needed services?
abuse is comming from the insutrence companies of denial of coverage.
Here’s a case for you. A few years ago, I had cancer. I was insured and had co-pays. Another patient had Medicaid. She got the same treatment at the same facility as I did. It is my experience that Medicaid takes care of our needy who are unable to work and provide for themselves. Am I wrong?
Hey Dan, the real abuse is 40 to 50 million illegal immigrants are getting free healthcare, and it is our taxes paying them. The ILLEGALS must be deported, and we must repeal and replace Obamacare with a better alternative. If the republicans don’t get it done, they will be removed from office in the next election.
You are so correct, to the conservatives, its all about money not Lives!
It is encouraging to know there are still intelligent, thoughtful people like you out there.
Now if he could only spell correctly.
There is a word that applies to what you propose. It is called “Socialism.” Know any Socialist countries? I lived in one back in the ’60s and observed a few things. The people were so taxed to death that they had to buy gas by the gallon — if lucky two gallons at a time — and had to pay a monthly tax to have free TV. There was a black market for food products, and bank presidents lived like our lower middle class. As for doctors, you had no choice. You took what you were given and were glad to get it. Is this what you want for America?
According to every poll I have read the happiest people are in what you call “Socialist” societies So what country were you living in at this time. Sound more like a Communist country. .
Don’t trust your polls. I was living in London, England. That three years woke me up to the greatness of the United States — the land of the free. I came home a profound patriot. Maybe you should try it.
I am sorry but I find it hard to believe that conditions were that bad in the UK in the 60s. I am not calling you a liar, I just find it hard to fathom a black food market. But time were hard then. I don;t believe they are the same today, And to suggest there in no freedom in UK, is a stretch seeing our law have their foundation in English law.
But we are still not addressing the failed healthcare system we have. The entire industrial world is using the one payer system and has been for a very long time. That proves it works, so why are you willing to be number one in cost and 37th in services.
Read my statement above. Maybe you will get a glimmer of truth. Everything you are saying is opinion with no basis in fact. I lived it. Obviously you are not aware of conditions in the UK today, which appear to be much worse.
Yes I do have my opinions and I have friends in the UK and they have a few complaints but they also have the freedom to express their issues. They seem quite happy living there.
You have your opinions also and you seem to be avoiding the question of cost verses services. A bad economy and the problems it causes is not the same as a broken healthcare system based on greed. So you are happy with being #37?
In my opinion, if we are to stay a free nation, the government should stay out of health care. It should also stay out of utilities. If our freedom means we stay #37 in terms of freebie health care, I am all for it. Do you not realize that some worker’s taxes would have to pay for your free stuff? Furthermore, if you think our health system is so bad, why do people from all over the world come here for treatment? Why do we have so many foreign doctors? Is it because they make more money here or is it that they want to neglect their own people in favor of treating Americans? The latter would make no sense. Most people are motivated by money. Insurance companies are motivated by money. Doctors and hospitals and drug companies are motivated by money. Politicians are motivated by money. Office workers and factory workers are motivated by money. You yourself are motivated by money. Even welfare people are motivated by money. That’s why they keep their hands held out and vote for Democrats who will happily fill it for a vote. I am totally against government control of health care or any other aspect of our lives that limits freedom.
Spoke like a true Conservative and I admire that, I really do, but I tend to disagree with some of your points (opinions). It all come down to one’s philosophy on government and what it should or shouldn’t do for the people it governs. I feel that the government should protect the people it governs. An example is when you mention public utilities.
Do you realize without the intervention of governments you could be pay two, three maybe five times what you currently pay. We would be at their mercy paying whatever they decided was a “fair profit”, They would be much like Big Phram is today, Do you really want that? You would be less free because you have less money, Money does only one thing, it give you options, the more money the more options you have. The less money the less options equals less freedom. Right now we over pay for many things and I do not suggest that government control all cost of these items, health and our well being do not equate with a car, a TV or other luxuries, Healthcare is a necessity that should not denied because of cost.
As for people from all over the world coming here for treatment, I am sure you have noticed it is only the super rich or super poor that are doing it. Yes, we are the leader in technology, for now, but there are more of our citizen going overseas, to place like Thailand for more basic treatments. Why you ask. Because they are cheaper and better preformed. We may be the only nation to have a Trump, but we do not have a monopoly on talent. And some people are not solely drive to for good by money.
It is funny that you do not want government controlling or being involved because of your concerns about your freedom. Take some time and ponder how much your freedom is restricted by non-governmental institutions like bg insurance. They tell you what kind of car you can drive, where you can live. What about Big Banks. They are so involved in your life that it is sinful, yet you give up your freedom willingly when they are concerned. You cannot vote out a bank or an insurance company but you can a government.
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Thank you for your reply. I was referring to government-owned utilities. Guess who pays for that?
I know I do not know everything, so please educate me by telling about government utilities, unless it is in Tenna.
Do you live near any Cleveland Clinic? I’m 70 and qualify for free care from them as I only have SSR to live on and fall under their guidelines. Look into it if you need anything major done. I had 2 cataracts done by the Head of Eye Surgery almost 2 years ago for free. I would have been totally blind waiting to get anything done by Medicare. I only have part A. My one eye was 4 out of 5 and the other was 3 out of 5 so you can see I was in dire need. I got the bill in the mail and it was $22K!! yeow!! All I paid was for the RX’s and nothing else. Even if you have to travel and stay overnight, etc. it is worth it. They have patients come from all over…not just Ohio or Florida where they have facilities. I saw many out of state plates in Cleveland when I had my eyes done.
Sally, I live in Colorado and I can’t get anything free. My friends got cataract surgeries for free 25 years ago but my cataracts will cost me dearly. I’m truly happy for you that you can get free or low cost care. I’m a little older than you and have Medicare A, B & D and could not qualify for Medicaid because I get just a little more than the cutoff. That doesn’t mean that my healthcare is affordable and thank God I only have one prescription that is dirt cheap. Take care and stay fit.
I make $30 more a month than Medicaid cut off. I begged them 2 years ago about my eyes as I was fastly going blind. They could have cared less. I was so close to just jumping off a tall building if I went blind. Having cataracts is no fun as you know and folks don’t realize just how dark the world is to someone who has them. I was so happy that I had a great surgeon who cared about his patients. My son is on Medicaid but he has a mental disability and is forbidden to work. He does not abuse the system and hates going to the dr. He did have extensive dental work done this spring to the tune of 3 grand…something I could never have paid for normally so I can’t complain. It took quite a long time to find a dentist who was an American but we found one in a small town about 36 miles from us who is great!!! I’ve read some of your posts and you actually sound something like me in a lot of your thinking. I’m old school and no nonsense and I see you are no nonsense as well. If you ever see any articles by Ruby Henley on Investment Watch you’ll like her articles and comments. She is one special lady.
Sallie Ann, you sound like my kind of Lady. I’m so glad we got to correspond a bit and thanks for the tip on Ruby Henley. i will check her out.
Sorry about your son and hope he is having a decent life. What would he do without you? Are you widowed as well? Forgive me for all these questions but i don’t have an email to communicate, the Best to you and family!
I am a widow 19 years now. (glad he’s gone as he was a mean drunk). My son lives with me. We are all the family we have left now. My parents are gone and he has no gf or kids. He is straight and can’t find any straight girls here in this college town to date. He is 34 soon. We lead a very quiet life in a small Ohio town just south of Cleveland. My hobby is posting comments online and downloading movies and documentaries to watch later.
Wow, 19 years just you and your boy! i have been alone for over 12 years and I will never get over it. My reason for enjoying life are my children, grandchildren and even 4 great grandchildren so far! One of my grandchildren is higher functioning Aspergers and also has never dated at 26. He works at a bank in SAn Francisco and lives at home. Don’t know if he will ever be self sufficient so I can understand a little what you are dealing with. I don’t have cable but subscribe to Netflix and love the Nature shows on PBS so I think we have a lot in common.
My best regards dear lady!
If you have a computer or laptop you can download tons of documentaries and movies for free by using a P2P downloader and a few file sharing sites. I use uTorrent as a downloader and The Pirate Bay for movies. I use MVGroup out of England for documentaries. I have been at it for 9 years and have literally thousands of DVD’s with movies, documentaries, history documentaries, etc. If you have at least a broadband internet you can use the uTorrent download. You get it off the The Pirate Bay site for free. I am a history nut and download tons of history docs. Don’t let TPB scare you. Just use the browse section and chose what category you wish like movies, audio books, etc. I use a DVD converter called AVS4YOU to convert and burn dvd’s to play on my dvd player and watch in my bedroom before sleeping. It costs around $50 for a forever subscription. My only cost is the blank dvd’s. The pirate bay has all the new movies and new tv shows. Just look for the red or green little pirate that means a trusted source of video or books or audios. I also use YIFI movie download that has tons of movies at great quality for free. I would rather not pay for stuff I can get for free being on a tight budget. We have satellite tv to keep up with he weather and news but could probably live without it.
My son does not have any discernable mental disability but was misdiagnosed and it would be almost impossible to get the label removed so we just live with it.
Best regards Helga…..!!!!
Interesting post but not my bag. I have an Apple computer and an iPad and Apple TV on which I play Netflix. Mostly view Forensic Files and a few shows that interest me. I don’t watch anything during the day because there is too much to do with the house and property. Now I have to get a part time job to bring in some extra and pay the bills from the hip replacement that still ran over $1500 on a $71000 procedure. I’m very thankful for that because I was born with this defect in Hitler’s Germany and have been able to manage for 73 years. My youngest daughter had this same defect and her replacement happened at age 31 after she couldn’t walk without severe pain any longer. She is doing very well and is raising two boys in high school and has a good husband. My oldest had three kids and her oldest had four but there won’t be any more since her husband had the procedure. He is a doctor in the Army and they never paid a penny for anything. If they get stationed in Hawaii in 2019, I know where I’m going on vacation!
Staying engaged is the key, isn’t it? There is so much to look forward to! Sincerest!
All I can ad to your retort is DOUCHE.
Your reply is call me a name. This is the same pattern that all you weak minded people do. When you are unable to presented an argument you have no rebuttal to, you resort to name calling. So lame. It is a real sign of a person with low self esteem..
Pride is our problem now, because pride took Satan and 1/3 of the angels out of heaven. We need humility, so read 2 Chronicles 7:14. That is the answer for America.
With all respect, we are talking about real events and current problems. Why are you talking about ancient myths?
The proof is in other countries that have done it and succeeded.. wise up and do your home word, stop being so lazy! Get informed.
Name them! I’m from another Country and have Family there so I’m informed on what is going on.
Not to mention that these mentioned countries are all but BANKRUPT
Jim, Check the current data and get back to me, OK? Then check the other 36 nations that have a better healthcare systems. You want the rich to get richer while your/our health care suffers. Then you have the right guy in the White House
Jim and Helga your arguing with a brain dead LibTURD! Save your keyboard!! LOL!
You are wrong they are not bankrupt. You have no proof because it is nothing but fake news spread by Big Insurance and Big Pharm. If you did a little research with an open mind you may change you outlook.
It is necessary to distinguish between healthcare and health insurance.
That FACT was lost along the way — thank you Marxists.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Do you have any idea what Marxism is? I think you are weak minded and can only spit out what you are fed by the the right.
Yes. I have read “Das Capital” and the “Communist Manifesto” IN GERMAN you ASS. It was then and is now, nonsense. Yeah … I guess I am the weak minded one here, ASS.
That is great that you have the knowledge to read a book as complex in another language. I am really im. pressed as that is something I cannot do. And if I am an ASS I am one of the best looking, well informed ASSES you every will meet. but after reading it you must understand that it is nothing but BS. It may be theoretically possible but only theoretically possible. It is totally unrealistic and not doable because it goes against basic human nature as proven by Lenin and the Russian experiment. And what all this has to do with the USA have a very bad healthcare system eludes me.
Honey, move to Canada for a few years and experience their health care. Then you might learn to be proud the U.S. is your home.
First, I am not your honey. As for the type of healthcare we provide compared to single payer and Canda happen to have better healthcare then we do.. The single payer works for the citizen not for big business. Why are you satisfied with a healthcare system that is inferior to Canada and 36 other countries including Oman, Cyprus and Italy.
Sorry your happy being 37th in service but number one in cost. You are not getting what you pay for.
to bad the gop republican prty didn’t learn from gwb adding trillions on to our debt with two wars not paid for in Afghanistan and Iraq.
your bankrupt claims re totally unfounded. the gop republican party your so called “fiscal Conservatives” have almost bankrupt us already. it was Obama and the Democrats that brought this nation back fro the brink of bankruptcy and another great depression.our job improvements and economics have been improving since Obama had become president and is continuing to improve even though your gop republican party and trump try to take and improperly take credit for something they did not do!
Wow! You are the poster child for stupid!
The debt when gay boy started-$10,626,877,048,913.08
The day he left-$18,722,746,583,118.03
GDP under your gay boy Barry.
we have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama’s economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama’s business cycle theweakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.
An average annual GDP growth of 1.48% during Obama’s two terms…
Math isn’t your strong suit, is it, Dan.
Obama was the worst President in the history of the United States of America. The weakest was President Carter. President Trump will be the greatest President in the history of the United States of America: with George Washington second best. George was a great general, not a politician. Neither is President Trump a politician, and that is why he will get the job done!
You’re correct on Obama being about the worst. I agree, Trump will do what’s good fot the country, if the worthless congress would get on board!
Obama the worst what — bowler? Nothing but flat-out racism can explain anyone’s not admitting the many successes and the high character of President Obama. And I’ll bet you can not name anything that Mr. Trump himself has really done that benefits me.
I’l start here.
Debt when Barry started.$10,626,877,048,913.08
Debt the day he left-$18,722,746,583,118.03. That’s with nothing to show for it.
http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-obama-failures-of-obama-as-president-numbering-at-least-1063/
We have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama’s economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama’s business cycle theweakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.
An average annual GDP growth of 1.48% during Obama’s two terms…
http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/
These are just a few. I have more. Now, you give me the list of his accomplishments!
No sane person can rationally conclude that President Obama’s successes place him below #15 – #20 as President. Similarly, no one can cite many meaningful positive accomplishments under Mr. Trump or make a real case that he will qualify as much above the very bottom as president.
You have presented some nice spin. It seems no one can offeer figures that everyone will agree are fair. Try this:
“When all these are added up, Obama’s debt contribution was $983 billion between 2009 and 2017. (Source: Ezra Klein, “Doing the Math on Obama’s Deficits,” The Wall Street Journal, January 31, 2014.) Here are some alternatives; I can guess the one you will choose: https://www.thebalance.com/national-debt-under-obama-3306293
How about:
http://politicsthatwork.com/graphs/debt-gdp-president
“Republican presidents after Eisenhower have increased the federal debt as a percentage of gross domestic product by a total of 60%. Democratic presidents have reduced the debt as a percentage of GDP by a total of 9%.
President Obama is the only Democratic President during whose time in office the debt has risen relative to GDP. The data extends to the end of FY2014 (September 2014). President Obama’s bar will almost certainly drop by the end of his presidency, as GDP growth is relatively high and the deficit is relatively low. 2/5ths of the increase during President Obama’s presidency occurred during the first year while the country was still in the midst of the Great Recession.
In terms of the change in the debt to GDP ratio per year, each Republican has performed worse than the previous Republican president. George H.W. Bush increased the debt as a percentage of GDP by almost 14%, which would have put him just barely behind his son had that continued for a second term.”
Try a short list of 50 Obama accomplishments: http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/
How about “fact-checked” by Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/barack-obama-accomplishments/
Try a contrast with the “current occupant” Mr.Trump:
“President Donald Trump’s first six months have been defined by his often angry and tasteless tweets, his ham-handed efforts to denigrate and undercut the multiple investigations into Russian influence in the 2016 election and the stalemated legislative battle to repeal and replace Obamacare. But Trump is right in saying he has significantly influenced government and the nation’s image — though much of his impact has been negative.” (https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/07/17/outline-trumps-achievements-first-six-months-office)
Senator McConnell mostly created the only “accomplishment” of note (one that most Democrats find appalling), placing another far-right conservative onto the Supreme Court. The current administration inherited a positive economy from Mr. Omaba, many aspects of which are now increasing more slowly.
You chose not to reply to my challenge: “And I’ll bet you can not name anything that Mr. Trump himself has really done that benefits me.” I will conclude that you have nothing to offer.
What did the coon do, that benefited you, besides welfare, and food stamps you get?
Really? Not only do you fail to answer my question, you proudly expose your despicable and Un-American racism somewhat publicly. You are apparently and justifiably ashamed to display your real name; at least that shows some awareness of the idiocy of your posting(s).
LOL…I love liberals, and demonRATS. When given facts, yes all I posted are facts. you turn to insulting the poster. I and everyone else on this feed know you’re full of shit, or as I say, you’re a legend in your own mind!
It’s funny. I don’t see your response to me, here on the site. The debt numres I gave you, come from the government site, not your left leaning twist sites. The GDP numbers are also from the government site. I checked the site with Obunghols accomplishments.I wish I could bring it up here, so I can prove them all wrong also.One comes to mind real quick. Barry’s QE-! through #3. I’ll tell you what three was. The fed pumping 30 billion dollars a month into the stock market, and buying our own debt. The first was gay boy paying back the DemonRAT party. Easy to look up, but you hate the truth about your Muslim.
Here are a few things obummer did:First President to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner.
First President to have a social security number from a state he has never lived in.
First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States.
First President to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
First President to spend a trillion dollars on “shovel-ready” jobs when there was no such thing as “shovel-ready” jobs.
First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S., including those with criminal convictions.
First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
First President to tell a CEO of a major corporation (Chrysler) to resign.
First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.
First President to cancel the National Day of Prayer and to say that America is no longer a Christian nation.
First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke out on the reasons for their rate increases.
First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
First President to actively try to bankrupt an American industry (coal).
First President to fire an inspector general of AmeriCorps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to surround himself with radical left wing anarchists.
First President to golf more than 150 separate times in his five years in office.
First President to hide his birth, medical, educational and travel records.
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
First President to go on multiple “global apology tours” and concurrent “insult our friends” tours.
First President to go on over 17 lavish vacations, in addition to date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayers.
First President to have personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
First President to fly in a personal trainer from Chicago at least once a week at taxpayer expense.
First President to repeat the Holy Quran and tell us the early morning call of the Azan (Islamic call to worship) is the most beautiful sound on earth
First President to side with a foreign nation over one of the American 50 states (Mexico vs Arizona).
First President to tell the military men and women that they should pay for their own private insurance because they “volunteered to go to war and knew the consequences.”
Then he was the First President to tell the members of the military that THEY were UNPATRIOTIC for balking at the last suggestion. (Thank God he didn’t get away with THIS one.)
First president to allow Iran to inspect their own facilities.
First president to have blood on his hands from Benghazi to the assassinations of several police officers.
First president to trade 5 terrorist for a traitor
First president to facilitate the Iranians to acquire nuclear weapons.
First president to light up the White House in rainbow colors to honor men that lust after other men’s rear ends.
First president to put young children in danger by forcing states to allow men in women’s restroom and showers.
First president to marry a man.
First president to allow crack cocaine in the White House.
I could go on for days but you get the point.
How is this hope and change’ working out for you? And Obamas real is Barry
How would I know, any more then you knowing anything about me. What did the coon do for you personally? Wait, I’ll bet you’re on welfare, and food stamps! The only accomplishment of gay boy in 8 years.
What a country! We let knuckleheads (as your comments brand you) vote, and then we wonder how we get the likes of Trump. Based upon evidence, not wishful zealotry, I predict that in 50 years we will see Obama listed at between 10th and 15th best president, Reagan at 35th to 40th, and Trump dead last (for reasons too numerous to list, not that you would accept facts, anyway).
Dan, what side are you on? Are you a Demoncrat? True republicans are for a great America; it is the corrupt ones that must be removed from office and replaced by better republicans.
Amen, Helga! All I need to know about socialized medicine I learned from Charlie Gard. Trump offered to fly him here nd get him the treatments that may have saved him and the parents wanted that chance. But the government refused to allow it and kept stalling until it was too late. His parents were not even allowed to have him at home on his last days. Under socialized medicine the government makes all the decisions; the patients and parents of afflicted children have NO rights.
NHS/the Hospital and Doctor with the experimental DNA treatment (Dr. Michio Hirano) had agreed to do the treatment in London before Charlie experienced seizures in January 2017. Dr. Hirano and the London Hospital agreed to proceed with the treatment, funded by the NHS!!! Dr. Hirano was invited to come to the hospital to examine Charlie apparently before Dr. Hiran got to start on the treament Charlie experienced seizures judged to have caused brain damage. These seizures led the Doctors caring for Charlie to conclude that the treatment would not help. The Doctors who were caring for Charlie held the view that further treatment was futile and might prolong suffering.
This was case of the NHS (UK Government) denying treatment. See above, the NHS had agreed to pay for treatment when Charlie’s condition worsened.
That is why we need Obamacare repealed and replaced. Republicans better get it done, and come up with a better alternative.
Don’t hold your breath.
You are a Democrat.
An “undocumented” Democrat.
Love it! lol
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No.
Yes they can go to hell!
I think thrifty tickets are already punched.
ONLY PUNCHING SHOULD BE IN THE DIRECTION OF THOSE CORRUPT & EVIL POLITICIANS, BUT LETS START WITH BOZO & HILDABEAST FIRST, THEN WORK ITS WAY DOWN TO PISSLOSI AND THE REST OF THOSE CORRUPT FEMALES AND MALES……
All the blame can’t or shouldn’t be place on the politicians…. The Bible clearly tells us that there are none good or righteous; all have gone astray… The Constitution says, We the people…..” and USA has embrace the abominations of evolution, homosexuality, abortion and the rejection of God’s WORD thus we do deserve God’s Judgments…
And He (GOD) changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding (Daniel 2:21) : Just as He did with Israel so too has He done with USA…. And just as Israel was destroyed for her disobedience so too will USA be destroyed.
The 9/11/01 attack was the first of three major attacks and our days are numbered…
to bad the gop republican party in mind set and attitude doesn’t take your advice, because they are in fact currently the face of Evil in this nation and in the world with trump in mind set and attitude Satan’s emissary.
Learn to speak comprehensible English for Christ’s sake. I only slightly understand what I think you were trying to state. Damn!
Will it is for sure you are not a true Christian and you have absolutely no idea what evil is…
Evil is the support of evolution.
Evil is kicking God and His Ten Commandments out of government.
Evil is the support of homosexuality.
Evil is the support of abortion.
Evil is the support of pedophilia.
Evil was the democrats supporting of the KKK.
Evil is the democrats supporting voter fraud.
Evil is the democrats fighting against the ending of slavery.
Evil is the democrats fighting against the Civil Rights Movement.
Evil is not supporting our people in our embassies…
You can lie to yourself and others all day long but those that know the truth know it is the democrats who are walking hand in hand with satan.
Watchman I agree…Dan needs to read 2 Tim Ch 3
Dan doesn’t understand that God put Donald Trump as President, and called upon His Church to vote him in. I called him President early on, then heard Mark Taylor at trunews.com give a prophecy confirming it. Go to their website, go to archives and listen to the interview. President Trump will get to appoint a total of 5 Supreme Court justices. 1 is in, 4 to go. Great times just ahead for America. We will have 10 months of war ( what is happening in the WH until the swamp gets drained and cleared of snakes and rats ), and then 3 years of peace. I believe the peace will begin in the spring of 2018.
The Civil Rights Act was SIGNED into law by LBJ who was a Democratic President. Don’t put “evil” only on the Democrats. “Evil” also is in the Republican Party. I don’t think people “support” pedophilia since the courts are doing their best to get these people off the streets. Right now it is the Republicans who are walking hand in hand with satan. And our president is marching along with them.
Do you not think for yourself or is it that you are in need of new eye glasses, or maybe a education in reading the English language..
I can think for myself. You are the one who is in need of eye glasses much less an education in reading the English language. One thing you do need an education in is the Golden Rule of “do unto others as thou would have do unto you”.
[I can think for myself.] No, I don’t think you can when you are repeating the nonsense of the democrats… So, how is that Golden Rule working for you when you support the murdering of babies in the womb..?
Golden Rule and Democrats should never be found in the same paragraph. Democrats and Republicans, too don’t do anything that doesn’t benefit them more.
She just wants illegals to stuff the ballot box, so she can get her free stuff. She knows if conservatives get control of this government, everybody is going to have to work for what they get. If she’s truly disabled, charities will take care of her basic needs.
president Truman said and elected official becomes wealthy while in office is corrupt
He became president first after FDR died in office; then Truman ran for re-election.
please stop. Now you’re just posting stupid…. way past ignorant.
Right back at you. If you don’t like what I post, why answer it? You’re the one who is the one who is stupid, ignorant, and arrogant.
Clinton…. entered under $300K… left worth 23.8 million.
Obama…. entered worth $525K….. left worth 34.4 million.
Bush? entered worth about $18 million (Family ranch included)… left worth 17.8 million
YEAH…. Harry had it right
Again your ignorance of history is stunning. The Civil Rights act was written by Republicans,,… and Johnson was forced to sign it or suffer a veto override as the Republicans had the votes to do so.
The Voting Rights bill? Republican written.
Emancipation Proclamation? Republican written.
KKK? a Branch of the Democrat Party.
So…… child….. your ignorance shines again only embarrassing YOU.
I know that the Emancipation Proclamation was “Republican” written. My relative, the 16th president, gave that proclamation. Of course Lincoln would be embarrassed by TODAY’S Republican Party; he would not even know that it is the Republican Party since it is NO LONGER the “Lincoln Party”. The voting Rights bill? Sure it was Republican written; now they want to make it difficult for people to be registered to vote — voter suppression!
How is showing “ID” difficult to vote? In today’s society … one needs a valid ID to exist in our political, employment & financial environment. Everyone that is “Legal” in this nation; has ID. Difficult? You must be living in a cocoon!
No I am not living in a cocoon. I sure can be thankful for absentee ballots; as I am disabled, I can’t get down to where I am to cast my vote. Even if those that are “legal” in this nation are of age to vote, some can’t get an ID for one reason or another. Even if they do have an ID, Republicans make it hard for some people to register to vote.
[Republicans make it hard for some people to register to vote.] That is just one of the stupidest things the democrats have claimed… My Mother-in-law never had a driver license in her life, yet she had an ID… You must have an ID to even apply for your government benefits.
There is NO valid reason for any Citizen residing within the USA to not have an ID; whether it’s an SSN Card, State Driver’s License, State ID Card for non-drivers, Military ID, Medical ID, College/University ID … etc. Unless you walk everywhere and produce your own medication, food, drink, clothing and pay in cash for everything … you will need an ID period! Regardless if you vote or not. You cannot have a bank account unless you can prove whom you are (hint … ID). Registering to Vote and actually VOTING is one of the easiest activities in the USA … unless you don’t want to vote.
My Mother-in-law is 92 and has never driven an automobile; thus, no Drivers License. The solution? She obtained a State ID Card; so she can vote and get on a plane. If you have no ID … you have no VOTE! There are too many illegals that are voting in our elections!
It’s worth a little inconvenience to ensure that only citizens vote.
If they are illegal in the US they do not have the right to vote
Kathryn, do you not believe that only citizens should have the right to vote? If non-citizens vote, it cheapens the entire process. They have no vested interest in the continued prosperity of the United States. They also have little or no money on the table to pay for all the services they “demand” from a government that is not theirs.
I demand it be difficult to vote, so it will be appreciated. You have to show ID to do just about anything in this world. That is not an imposition. I’m old enough to remember my parents each having to pay $2 to purchase a poll tax. They did it because the right to vote was very important.
Well said👍🏻
The democratic party is the evil in this country. They are trying their best to turn us into a communist country. We cannot allow that.
I’m with you Estell. I call them Demoncrats, and their daddy is Satan. John 8:44 applies to them!
Kennedy was the last good Democrat and they had him killed. O’bama sold us out to the UN with the 2030 agenda. We have to fight now to keep our country.
Yes Estell, but we must fight in faith. Only through God can this nation prosper and be saved, and President Trump is under the armor of God. God had him put in the office of the President, and he will get 8 years to make America great! 🙂
I know. I have faith that God will get us through this under his protection.
BS. Dotard is NOT under the armor of God. The nation will not prosper under Dotard. Why you like dotard is beyond me. How you can like a racist someone who likes bigotry is beyond me. You guys are nuts.
Dotard? You are echoing the words of Kim Jong Un? How very clever of you.. So tell us…Why do you THINK President Trump is a racist? And bigotry? Give us details…
And BE SPECIFIC, Kathryn Jordan.
Ernest, may I ask, If your god put Trump into office, who put all the other presidents there? Or is Trump the only one god likes, you know the Trump who cheated on all his wives, the Trump who grabs women in their crotch, the Trump who steals money from investor or the Trump who just recently goes to church> This is the person your god picked to be his president?
that is when I left the dem”s has not been the same they have gone astray today they are filled with hate
Yep. You’re right.
Eisenhower was the last good Republican. He foresaw the devastation to American freedom & independence that the Military Industrial Complex would bring. Unfortunately, the successors to Eisenhower & Kennedy have seemed oblivious to this threat, which is a big reason we’ve been on our long decline toward a fascist corporatocracy.
I totally agree
Did you grow up around the time of Eisenhower & Kennedy? Didn’t they give you a feeling of pride & hope in our nation? They were men of courage who called on the best of our citizens, set lofty goals for our country & unified our people. We were on top of the world.
Then Kennedy was assassinated (never adequately solved despite what the government would have us believe), we got bogged down in the Vietnam War, suffered through Watergate & have faced a neverending series of tragedies, scandals, weak leadership & corruption ever since..
That was a time when people didn’t worry a lot. You could trust your neighbor and leave your door unlocked. You didn’t worry about walking downtown at night. There was plenty to eat and kids made their own entertainment. People had jobs and those t hat didnt were looked down on. Welfare people were few and far between. None of this is true anymore. today’s young–45 and under–don’t know how easy they have it.
It’s the Republican Party that is the evil party in this country. It NO LONGER has the values it once had when it was the “Lincoln Party”. Lincoln would be EMBARRASSED by what his PARTY has become.
Get your head out of the sand and wake up before it’s too late. The democrats are the communists and atheists. O’bama handed us over to UN control along with the Pope. WAKE UP.
Trump has also handed us over to UN control. with Nikky Haley as our ambassador to the UN always saying negative things about North Korea, it sounds like we are on the brink of WWIII between her’s and Trump’s voices.
Socialized medicine means we would lose ALL control over our healthcare. We need less government interference in our lives not more.
I would rather have it over Trumpcare any day. If Trump wants to take away coverage for people who have preexisting conditions, he will have a lot of people at the gates of the White House protesting. I will be one of them since I have two preexisting conditions that are covered by the ADA of 1990.
We need to get the government out of our medical.
The United States has the worst health care system (that’s even BEFORE Obamacare came to be) in the world. We need a single payer system.
doubt that. Too many countries have doctor and nurse shortages and virtually no basic health care systems. Wake up and realize how well you actually have it here.
How well I actually have it here? Our country has shortages of doctors in a certain specialty. Why do you think we have the worst health care system in the world? I don’t want ANY Republican “repeal and replace” to take away coverage for me and others who have preexisting conditions. You are so blind. So you need to WAKE UP.
K. Jordan, you are a greedy, selfish, communist B!TCH.
okay, JACKASS, you try to pay the high deductibles because you have a preexisting condition. I am not greedy. I just want the same coverage that you have and not be penalized because of a preexisting condition. I don’t need any ULTRA CONSERVATIVE being so nasty let alone greedy. The way you are greedy is YOU HUNGER FOR POWER AND CONTROL. So who is this greedy and selfish one? I would say that is you: You communist JACKASS.
Wow. we’ve all given you FACT. YOU make up lies.
We have the third best healthcare in the world BEFORE ObamaCare….. NOW ranked 27th world wide as it FAILS daily.
The ACA will END…. go away… cease to exist for YOU or ANY American in 2018…. and Obama knew it so trolls like you would scream about any replacement (as it dissolves from under you)
Did you know he stole over 232 BILLION from Medicare (aging senior) to keep his failed ACA afloat and LIED about it.?? Did you know he stole 161 billion from Fannie Home Loand subsidies to save his FAILED Aca?
Do you know it no longer exists in 22 states…. it has FAILED>
Do you EVER READ the replacement bill? It is posted. It ADDS 112 types of preexisting conditions.
Your ranting lies prove you have no interest in FACTS…. but in feeling special by playing the ignorant victim.
No one here will have sympathy for that.
Grow up and give mommy back her iPhone.
The adults here are tired of your uneducated whining
We have the least efficient & most expensive healthcare system in the world. Obamacare increased the coverage but didn’t do much for efficiency or cost. The quality of our healthcare in some regards is relatively high, although not as good as it should be.
The countries considered to have the highest quality healthcare & greatest coverage vs. cost are: France, Germany, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland, Japan & Singapore. We should be examining what these countries are doing that works so well, & figure out which systems are most applicable to our nation.
Actually that is a LIE Kathryn. America’s health care is ranked number three in the world by the WHO and UN.
Number one in investigative and major disease research.
It would help if you’d actually post an intelligent thought to debate.
Do you know…FOR FACT…. that there is not ONE socialized…single pay… healthcare system in the world in any free industrialized nation where it has worked?
NAME ONE! Defy you.
Britain, Canada, Germany, Sweden ALL give their citizens over 30% received Private Vouchers for care. FACT.
Canadians receive almost 18% of ALL major medical… hospitalized treatment…across the border in US facilities. FACT
So please… grow up. Stop embarrassing your self.
READ FACTS…. and then come debate like an adult
that is not going to happen as a Senior 1 payee system stinks really no lie
Single payer healthcare costs $32 trillion over ten years. Can you pay that bill?
What is so wrong with America that it would cost so much here, when single payer universal healthcare in other countries costs much less than what we now pay?
again your blind ranting ignorance makes you the fool.
READ the plan which is posted online and updated daily.
TrumpCare actually includes 112 ADDITIONAL preexisting conditions covered…. dumps NO ONE with Pre existing conds….ZERO.
So before you make the walk down Pennsylvania avenue to again look the fool…… TRY actually reading the bill.
Better coverage…. more preexisting conds…. lowers deductibles… affordable… covers 44 million MORE people than ACA…..
THOSE ARE FACTS. Do NOT listen to liars like dementia Pelosi and Crying lying Shumer.
READ……. you are really beginning to look foolish here.
just ask a Senior 1 payee not good you are not your own person
Excuse me, Kathryn?????
Oblamer and Both Bushes and Both Clintons ignored the danger of an armed North Korea that was increasing their nuclear capabilities as well as their desire for, and intention of, obliterating the United States and our allies (the few we have left after Oblamer ran around the world apologizing to our Enemy nations for disrespecting them through the years). Oblamer, the Leftist wing of the Democraps, Soros, and the Soviets are destroying our country by eliminating free speech, our inherent Rights, and Capitalism under the veil of telling all minorities that they are victims, that the answer to all their problems is Globalization, that Free Stuff is OWED to them, that they will benefit from a Single-Payer Health System, and that not only is Globalization (Communism) the answer, but that it’s a Right to participate in and encourage violence against those of us who Do Not agree with them.
Also, Oblamer not only hates Israel, The Holy Land, but he tried to sabotage President Netanyahu’s re-election. Israel is standing alone in a small country surrounded by leaders who want to annihilate ALL of Israel. Oblamer sided with the Palestinians, claiming that the land in question belongs to the Palestinians, and that it was the Israelites who attacked the Palestinians after the peace treaty with Israel. He LIED, because Israel did NOT fire the first shot! Israel was defending itself! But that inconvenient FACT was omitted from the already limited understanding of most Americans. Oblamer supported savages who have NO intention of honoring a bilateral agreement. For one of his last farewells, Oblamer abstained from measures that would further protect Israel.
Will Leftists NEVER take heed about WHY President Trump was elected?!? Because the Democraptic “leaders” in this great country are So Far Left, they are COMPLETELY Oblivious to the FACT that the majority of American Citizens are FED UP with the Corruption, the Non-Transparency, the Lying, and the Push For Socialism, then Communism. And, Just As Importantly, Clinton, with her destroyed Blackberries, her Unsecured Server set up in a Bathroom, the Benghazi Disaster, The Corrupt Clinton Foundation through which she accepted MILLIONS of dollars from the leaders of countries who behave worse than Bottom-Feeders while they OPPRESS WOMEN, punish their citizens, and KILL WOMEN who are adulterers. Did you even Know That, Kathryn?? Most of us knew this was all going on while Clinton was accusing that Mr. Trump, and most men who don’t like her, as being Misogynists, Racists, Bigots, Sexists, oh, and “Deplorables”.
TRUMP is the ONLY President in History who has stood AGAINST the Korean leadership that has put its citizens in concentration camps, that Rapes its Innocent Women AND Children, and that leaves an Unfathomable number of its Citizens to Starve, All in the name of spending their resources on strengthening their nuclear capabilities to cause the Ultimate Destruction of the World’s Developed Countries. And Nikki Haley is Brave, Steadfast, and Totally On The Same Page As President Trump.
Go ahead and blame our President while you give the recent Corrupt “Presidents” a pass, starting with FDR and The New Deal, all the way up to Oblamer. I would leave Kennedy and Reagan and Carter off that list. President Trump is NOT THE ONE who is provoking war, it IS, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN, the Uns of North Korea! President Trump is merely Calling Their Bluff! And it’s Working !!! How do you think Oblamer would have handled it WHEN, under his policy, our nation WOULD HAVE EVENTUALLY BEEN BOMBED??? Oh, wait! I know! He would have let the Despots of North Korea Murder us peons, and then apologized to them for upsetting them!
Now WHO do you want at the helm??
Wake Up!!!!!
No Bill Clinton did that in 1994 when he agreed to provide NoKo with the necessary nuclear arms funding. Bush and Obama did nothing to stop NoKo. Obama funded Iran’s Nuclear weapons and terrorist programs. If Trump does nothing, be prepared for NoKo nuclear weapons to appear in a neighborhood near you.
Nikki Haley says negative thing about N Korea because the N Korean govt has so many negative qualities, such as torturing people of faith, torturing people who dare to speak out against human rights abuses, their own people being starved, launching missiles in the direction of Japan and the US….Do you think N Korean saber rattling is new?? It has been going on for a loooong time. But I’m going on too long myself, trying to reason with a troll. You would probably like N Korea. GoFundMe might be able to get you to a country you love, much to your horror.
Obama SIGNED 11 UN Treaties, accords and alliances WITHOUT Congressional ratification as required by OUR Constitution.
Trump? Not one. Inn fact he has nullified 7 of those and will do the rest in due time.
Again….. your ignorance simply embarrasses you.
READ….. TRY FACTS…..again we suggest “TRY” since we doubt you will recognize one should you open your eyes.
I will wake up when YOU wake up before Trump brings us to the brink of WAR with Korea. You won’t understand that the Republican Party is the evil party in this country; you will never believe it.
You liberals are ruining the country. Trump is following the law and you liberals are trying to destroy it. Get real.
Dotard is NOT following the LAW!
He is too. You must have dropped out of school. Goodbye
I went to school ALL THE WAY TO COLLEGE! GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE
You didn’t ;learn much. It’s obvious you went to a liberal college. You don’t learn the truth there.
GOODBYE AND GOOD RIDDANCE YOU REPUBLICAN TROLL
And you’re a liberal fool. Get a real education and you will understand the folly of your beliefs.
all the way to college???…..LOL
again…your ignorance is openly displayed with each childish unfounded ranting post you make
Sad lonely little troll.
BACK AT YOU; A SAD AND LONELY REPUBLICAN TROLL THAT IS FULL OF IGNORANCE AND ARROGANCE
You clearly have confused Trump with Obama who ruled as a corrupt despot with his unconstitutional pen and phone.
again…. your ignorance is stunning.
so post what law he is not following?
So we should let Kim Jong Un continue to threaten us without reproach???
You want Dotard to keep up with his “fighting words”? China has already said that they will protect North Korea should the United States strike first. Do you want another Korean War or WWIII? Take your pick. Dotard is leading us to a brink of war.
How is Trump to blame for the threats? No military action has been taken. No military action is planned. All that’s happened is KJU is losing support and he is threatening the U.S. to regain credibility with his people. But his threats put the nation at risk.
Sure no military action has been taken. However Dotard’s war of words with KJU and vice versa puts this country at risk. Open your eyes!
My vision is fine, thank you very much. It’s yours that needs checking. I suggest you research into the history of threats North Korea has been making against America for decades, and how the past several presidents have done nothing but appease them. See, we tried giving Kim Jong Un concessions for twenty-five years, but he keeps threatening us and our biggest international partners. That is what puts both you and me at risk, not Trump. See, it’s one thing to be wary of international conflict, and I am personally staunchly anti-war, but it’s another thing to allow KJU to continue this rampage!
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/north-korea-poses-an-existential-threat-to-the-world-why-are-we-appeasing-it-20170519-gw8ii0.html
In sending billions of taxpayer dollars to try to assuade North Korea, not only has it NOT been productive in getting them to change their minds, but these previous adminstrations (Bush, Clinton, Obama) have actually STRENGTHENED the North Korean threat by giving them money to use for their weapons of DEATH AND DESTRUCTION. I don’t know how else to spell it out for you. Appeasement DOES 👏 NOT 👏 WORK!
Answer me this: Was Churchill jeapordizing Britain in promising to defend against Hitler? Was Kennedy making America unsafe when he promised to unite the world against the soviets? NO!! They were defending the nation from malicious threats, as Trump seeks to do now against the tyrant in charge of enslaving his people (Kim Jong Un) before he tries to destroy our country. Even ONE nuke from him would kill us all. We can’t wait until he brings down missiles.
Your repeated name calling only makes you look the total fool.
China is only engaged… diminishing North Korea daily… because we have a strong leader who has made China aware we will DEFEND ourselves and those we have sworn to defend.
Unlike your failed Haji or career lying murderess proxy who soundly LOST who both would ‘apologize’ should we be attacked
It’s probably time you climbed out of mommy’s basement and gave her back the IPhone until you learn to actually think and post like an adult.
sad little troll
If we have the worst health care system in the world,may I suggest you move to Mexico or Canada.
Not moving anywhere since I do not have the $ to move. So you get to deal with me. Sorry, Jackass. Deal with it. Some people who are on Social Security Disability just do not have the funds to move.
Being a name calling jackass yourself will win no point or argument.
You merely embarrass yourself and publically display your complete ignorance here.
sad
So far you’ve simply ranted.. name calling… accusing.. yet showing not one fact?
By the way… Obama TOLD Trump his worst nitemare will be Korea as Obama and the previous two President did NOTHING to reign in North Korea. I fact…. Clinton sent them 232 billion dollars in aid. and Obama did NOTHING when they fired their first nuke test… their first ICMB attempts…NOTHING.
So Trump was left with a North Korea who has ALREADY declared war on America for 30+ years.
While Dems have sold out America.. our ideals, principles and even our Constitution (as Obama repeatedly ignored in his pontificating egoism)…. and this Rep President is America’s last great hope.
Support him or LOSE America. Or is that your socialist goal anyway?
Stop embarrassing yourself. TRY FACTS…….. TRY!
And you are full of Shit!! The Demwits are hell bent on destroying this Great Country!! They do nothing to better it. All they do is destroy it with the influx of Illegals that are raping our women and children and living off welfare and social security that they have never paid into. You want to help? Then move your happy ass to Mexico or some third world Country!
Get your head out of the sand and wake up before it’s too late. The democrats are the communists and atheists. O’bama handed us over to UN control along with the Pope. WAKE UP.
K. Jordan, you are a COMPLETE brainless socialist. Tell us the values of the “Lincoln Party” and WHY the Republican Party is so different now? Your lack of education and knowledge is appalling.
Lincoln was A man of the people and for the people. Not stealing and lying to the people. Obumer and Hitlery and all the other broke ass polititions came out as multi millionaires. Now you tell me where they got it from??? What cat got your tongue??
That is true that Lincoln was a man of the people and for the people. It’s the Republican party of Today that he would be embarrassed because he would not even know it is his party. Problem with the Republican party of today is that it is full of Millionaires and Billionaires; those are the people WHO run the Republican party. You say that my party (the Democratic Party) is evil? I hate to tell you this, but it is the Republican party that is PURE evil. It dances with the devil all the time.
More Millionaires and Billionaires in the Demwits. Look at all the poor senators and congressmen that got student loans to go to college and now they are multimillionaires. What about Obama got foreign aid to go to college and now worth $12 million for that come from?? Waters Feinstein Pelosi witches!!
Are you not tired of working and paying for those that don’t? Oh, maybe you are one of the FREE LOADES!!
I worked for 20 years before I could not work anymore for health reasons. I live on my Social Security Disability (something I PAID INTO FOR THOSE 20 YEARS, WHEN I HAD TWO DIFFERENT SUMMER JOBS). I am not one of the FREE LOADERS. I do not have food stamps. I do have Medicare. I have gone back to school and now have student loans.
Boo hoo,
Join the crowd, just had my third Back surgery, and it was my 12 surgery in 8 years. The last 2 Back surgery’s I had With in 7 months. Just the Hospital in the first was 170,000.00$ and the last one just 9 weeks Back was 118,000.00$.
The shitty Insurance I have now thanks to Zobsma sucks!! Her I am not old enough to retire so I have to go back to climbing Electric poles for A living. Yes I could go on disability but again thanks to Obama I would only get 60% pay!
Before Obamacare my company would have paid me 100% pay the rest of my life, but not now!!
The company I worked for paid for 3 neurosurgery’s to help get rid of epileptic seizures. All total: over $150,000.00 between all three of those surgery’s. Try living with uncontrolled seizures, not knowing when you will have your next seizure, where it will happen, how many you will have & what the severity of that seizure(s). I wish I could go back to work again. I hope I can at one point or another.
well watchman48 :
You should study the Gospel of “Jesus Christ” for you own benefit and correct Biblical godly Knowledge.
1. this article is a bunch of garbage.
2. God’s teaching
through His Son “Jesus Christ” completely reflects Socialist overtones,
not Socialism per say, but defiantly socialist Overtones.
3.Jesus teaches, “when you do unto the least of these , you do unto Me”.
Jesus
hung out with the poor, needy and the out cast more than with the well
off and elites. He stood up to the “religious leaders” of His day,
labeling them a generation of hypocrites and vipers.
4. So a move toward Socialism would not be that bad or out of place Biblical y.It actually would be a Biblical move.
5. right now the gop republican pry is in mind set and attitude the “face” of evil in our nation and in the world. Trump is it’s head and in mind set and attitude Satan’s emissary.
I wasn’t happy with the republicans putting Mr. Trump up but he was a thousand times better than anything that the democrats could provide…
I love when a liberal reads the Bible, I just wish they would read all of His WORD like, Thou shall not murder, thou shalt not steal and thou shalt not lie…
The liberals has supported the murdering of approx. 70 million babies through abortion and all who support this practice in any way, by vote, by word of mouth has the blood of these babies on their hands… Those that support those that steal or lie to their constituents are just as guilty as if they stolen or lied themselves…
The democrats are great at stealing the taxpayers money and giving it away to buy votes with….
The democrats voted to take the name of God out of the 2012 Democratic national platform…
God tells us to help those in need but we are never to be force to do so, it is a test of the heart and if you look at the amount the conservatives give compared to that of the liberal gives it is astronomical. The democrat is good at giving others people money or forcing other people to give through their taxes….
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel (1 Timothy 5:8).
For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward (1 Timothy 5:18).
Maybe that why God’s WORD also tells us: The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. (Ecclesiastes 10:2).
Murder applies to the death of a Human Being.
It is a capital offense punishable by execution, long incarceration or in the case of an accident an extended trip to a Sanctuary City to express repentance … Read the Bible!
However, in Exodus 21:22 God the Father (who dictated the rules for the Hebrews to Moses) clearly indicates that he did not consider Fetuses to be Human Beings! If he did then logically the penalty for causing a miscarriage killing the fetus in the process would be a Capital Penalty not the optional commercial fine paid to the father as levied by God. Read the Bible!
At no point in the Bible does either Jesus or God the Father complain about the well off being called upon to pay taxes. Since all that we have is his whether skills, abilities, inclinations or other good fortune. Thus being unwilling to share with the widow, orphan and others is a slap at God’s providence. I call that sufficient force to justify reasonable taxation (or tithing and required charity). See the words of the pre-diaspora prophets, read the Bible!
You are mistaken about fetuses. Read Jeremiah 1:5.
I know this Chestnut is a staple of the Anti-Choice movement.
However, Jeremiah 1:5 does not contradict the Exodus based argument. The description of the act of creating Mankind (Adam) in Genesis 2:7 supports the assertion that the Breath of Life (which hopefully happens during Labor/Childbirth) is the point when Adam became a living being.
There is nothing in the text of Jeremiah 1:5 that preemptively confers Humanity on the fetal Jeremiah. It says God knew him and had plans for him but that all. The act of creation
Paul the apostle said, along with Jesus, we must obey the laws of the land; unless they go against the bible. Jesus paid taxes, and told Peter to drop a line, and get the coin out of his mouth to pay taxes for them both.
How does this statement show God’s concern for the plight of the rich? Please explain.
LOL, required charity? That’s funny… That isn’t charity! That’s thievery! I’m not so sure whether this was the first but Moses gave a tithe of a tenth part to Melchizedek…. A gift of a tithe of 10% is what God asks from all of us, rich or poor….
The sperm has life in it and the egg has life in it… At the very moment of conception it is a human life at it’s very first stage…. No other parts are added to make it more human just as no other parts are added to the toddler to bring it to a teenager and then to an adult…. Abortion is the malicious ending of a life; therefore, cold blooded murder and nothing less.
So what you are saying is the clay form of Adam was a fully formed human being. Really?
There is a difference between Life and Human Life. It is undeniably clear from the punishment required in Exodus that Jehovah God did not consider a Fetus to be HUMAN LIFE. Despite what PETA might think, murder (or manslaughter) requires the loss of a Human Life.
Try Malachi for Thievery. All of our talents, blessings, attributes etc are on loan from God who expects us to take care of others with them – charity is not optional. See the indictment of the post Davidic/Solomon era Jews for failing to do this. This cis a big part of the reason that Jehovah had the Babylonians punish the Jews.
Actually organized charity through a solid safety net is economically very good for everyone except that thin sliver of people at the very top (many of whom inherit their wealth).
You sound as if you might read the Bible but than you want to argue the stages of human life and say what you did about Adam and I wonder if you do believe fully in God’s Holy Scriptures… Clearly you have no understanding of the word “Charity.” Charity is an option, there is no such thing as force charity accept through taxation…
I support organized charities such as Convoy of Hope, Hand of Help, Bible Pathway Ministries, Jewish Voice and Jerusalem Prayer Team.
Gee, thanks for acknowledging I might read the Bible.
You are right, I am not inclined to blindly accept the word of some “theologian.” I take this as the meaning of your comment about believing the Holy Scriptures. After over a half century of reading and decades of dealing with contractual wording and phrases along with their consequences I apply that same care to reading and interpreting the word of God.
Try posting a credible counter argument and we can talk.
Explain how the Malachi scenario I outlined above has no relevance or deny the Jehovah God let the Babylonians enslave the Hebrews after having the prophets warn them repeatedly about their stinginess and greed. Look it up. You might try actually reading the Bible (in particular the books of History and pre-diaspora prophets). A God that instituted the Jubilee and Sabbath years for his people surely is not a fan of human greed but that is just my opinion.
As I said before the economic implications of a strong safety net are positive for all except a tiny sliver of people mostly who have inherited wealth. Post a counter argument if you can.
It was because of the Israelites idolatries and false worship that the Israelites were enslaved by several nations throughout their history…
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Jer. 17:9
[So what you are saying is the clay form of Adam was a fully formed human being. Really?] And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7
The moment the sperm and egg unite there is human life, there is nothing added (No nothing parts) offer then nourishment to make the life more human, the DNA is establish at that very moment.
Yes, it sounds as if you might read the Bible but I wonder if you are reading all of the Bible… And why do sound as if you don’t believe what you are reading..?
Amen and amen!!!
I am called by God to be a teacher of His word, and take it very seriously. I pray after President Trump gets 8 years, that Mike Pence will follow behind him. He is a bold Christian, and stands against abortion publicly. We need a bold Christian in the WH.
I agree we need bold Christians not only in the WH but also in our pulpits, in our churches, in all branches of our government….
I am a watchman (Re-read Ezekiel 33) who was led to three men who have all seen the coming destruction of USA… I tried to deny this first warning for 2yr 9mos. but God would not allow that.. I then began praying asking that if this warning of USA’s destruction was true than there should be given to me two confirmations… I got them shortly thereafter and I was give two confirmations for each of the next two prophecies.
I can’t see how there can possible be a Trump presidency lasting eight years with how the world is looking today…. The acceleration of sin seems to be to great for it to be turned around at this point…
God has proven to me that the 9/11/01 attack was the first of three major attacks… The second major attack will be approx. 1000 times greater… With the death of approx. 3 million or more most in US will be screaming to nuke someone and at that moment China, Russia and possible some else USA will be destroyed like no other in all of man history since Noah’s time.
Reading the Engineer’s Report on the WTC booming in ’93 and after praying I began telling everyone that would listen to me that they were coming back to “Hit” this #2 tower again and when they do, they will “Take” it all the way to the ground. I spoke His warning for the next 7 years. God has never ever allowed the destruction of a nation nor of it’s people before first sending His warnings hoping that the hearts of the people might turn to Him….
Liberal’s, “Do Not Believe in Our GOD!” They LOVE Satan! At least, “For Now”! Don’t wanna be one of THEM!
You sound as if you might have some doubts…. God is big enough to handle your doubts, if this is so please share your doubts with Him… Sadly not even most Christians know for certain what they believe because they refuse to read through the Bible, it only takes approx. 92 hours or so to read through the Bible… Or 15mins per day to read through the Bible in one year… I have used the Bible Pathway Ministries Daily Devotional guide ( http://www.crosswalk.com/devotionals/biblepathways/ ) for over 19 years and I also listen to the King James Version as I am reading it… It takes a lot to get through this thick skull…. God Bless
Jesus spoke to the church, not the government. He only mentioned the government once in his entire ministry. “Render unto Caesar the thins that are Caesars, and unto God, the things which are God’s”. So for you to decide that Jesus taught socialism or any other form of government is a huge stretch. It is very dangerous for you, personally, to take quotes out of the Bible and make them fit into your agenda. Perhaps, you should take more interest in your own soul, and let God improve your theology.
Wrong interpretation. Socialism is communism in disguise, and capitalism is the best way to go. President Trump was anointed and appointed by God to be President at this time, and I challenge you to check out the interview with Mark Taylor at trunews.com. Go to the archives, and find out what God is doing in and for America! Great things in store for America. I have the prophecy by Mark Taylor and the Interview.
It won’t be destroyed yet. Check out the interview with Mark Taylor at trunews.com. Go to the archives, and you will be surprised at what God is about to do for America. President Trump is the key! He will get to appoint 5 Supreme Court justices. 1 down, 4 to go!
You surly are not reading all of God’s WORD…. I fully agree with Dan 2:21 He changes times and seasons; He deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise
and knowledge to the discerning. but here are things that are not made clear to those who refuse to study all of His WORD….
Just because Mr. Taylor was right about Mr. Trump’s win doesn’t mean he is right or that God has revealed this to him…. And I am not saying He didn’t reveal this knowledge to Mr Taylor..
Mr. Trump can’t make USA great again… There will be no return to her greatness… USA will be repaid double for her iniquities of this I am certain because this is what the Holy Spirit spoke in my left ear… It will be in God’s timing and USA is in her final days and her great fall will be like none seen in modern history…
The destruction you are seeing around USA today or for the last few weeks is nothing compared to what is coming for us….
What have you been smoking??
I don’t smoke nothing nor do I do any drugs… But why do you assume that I do, your accusations have no merits…
Wow! You really live in the dark ages, don’t you?
Duh, I think it is you that is living in the dark and ignorant of the truth…. If you are referring to God and His WORD, I am just guessing that you accept the lies of the atheists or liberals rather than taking the time to search out the truth…
I hope you never fall off the edge of the flat earth you inhabit. I think I admire your capacity for certainty and your belief in magic (and other things things that you can not prove), as faith is an interesting phenomenon. I wonder, however, how you get along in the real world, and among others less gullible than yourself? I am pretty certain that you cannot distinguish scientific evidence from charlatanism; so I just hope for your sake that whatever religious leaders you follow do not rob you of your wealth. It seems they have already robbed you of your capacity to reason. Your suggestion that atheists and “literals” lie marks you as perhaps willfully blind to facts and bereft of any basis for rational or adult discussion. So I will not try to reason with someone so certain of the answers that he has lost sight of the questions.
I really do love it when I get comments like yours because it opens up the possibilities of several directions I can go.
Please forgive me for coping and pasting but I am pressed for time as always… Oh, although I do have a friend that believes in the flat earth thing, I most definitely don’t.
So, can you give us some indication as to how you came to this great knowledge of there being no such thing as God..? Have you even searched for the truth….? For you to say that someone or something doesn’t exist than you would have had to study everything possible to eliminate the possibility of that existence… So, how much of the Bible have you read… or how many hours have you spent researching ancient authors?
Knowledge is gain from the reading and research of that which one chooses to study and wisdom is that which one displays from that knowledge but it is utterly preposterous to think that one can gain wisdom when there is no regard for the truth.
It is as ridiculous as one calling the evolution theories factual truth when there has never been even one proven fact to back these theories and that is why they call them theories… Whereas, there has been hundreds and hundreds of verses found within the Holy Scriptures pertaining to the Earth, our Universe, Medicine, Science, Time, Matter, Chemistry , Physics, Astronomy, Archaeology and proven as to having been true and written approx. 2000 years ago to as much as 3500 years ago or more.
Here is the proof of scientific facts written within the Bible long before the modern day scientist had discovered them to be true…
( http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html ).
There were approx. 40 different authors who wrote in three distinctive languages over a period of 2500 years or more, and yet there is no contradictions that have been found other then spellings and punctuations.
There were 330 prophecies alone written anywhere from approx. 500 to 1500 years before Jesus’ birth that speaks of the coming Messiah’ birth, life, ministry, death and resurrection without any doubt whatsoever this was divinely orchestrated by God.
Sadly billions of liberals will believe a lie in a heartbeat rather than to face the truth of God’s WORD and their sins…. Why else would the Bible say, “The fool says there is no God?”
Enjoy your dogmatic certainty. Science will save you from your ignorance.
Science will save no one, neither will Pres. Trump… Yeshua is the only One that can save anyone….
Depends upon your definition of “save” — doesn’t it?
You can have your mystical world, and I wish you well dwelling it.
Take care, however, with how you reconcile your worldview with the events you encounter in daily living. And remember that your primitive beliefs need not hinder you from the benefits of modern science.
I think I will stick with reality.
Your reality denies the scientific truths found within the Bible so it will lead you to an everlasting separation from God… So I choose the reality of my LORD and SAVIOR Christ Jesus for an everlasting life in His presence…
I couldn’t find the previous message you sent but this comment refers to it… It might be that this comment was to long that it wouldn’t take… so I will try to divide it up into two post..
Part One:
You couldn’t possibly be any more wrong with this preposterous comment of yours… I enjoy science and in no way do I force my beliefs on others…. I do however try to open their eyes and minds to the truth. If they refuse to listen or read my comments that is on them… It is not the Christians but the muslims that will force or kill those that refuse to change their minds.
In ancient times it was variously believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant, or even that a mythical Atlas supported the pillars that held heaven and earth apart, and/or carried the earth around on his shoulders (Where he stood while doing so presents an interesting conundrum). However, in what is probably the oldest book of the Bible, Job, living in an ancient culture that knew nothing about space or planets, asserted that God hung the earth on nothing (1500 B.C.) or, in other words, the earth free floats in space
“He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the earth on nothing [Job 26:7]
The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.
To make the weight for the winds; and he weigheth the waters by measure. Job 28:25
The first star catalogue was compiled by the Egyptian astronomer Ptolemy in the 2nd century ad. Called the Almagest, it listed the names and locations of 1,028 stars. However, because of telescopes such as the Hubble, we now know that…
Stars are not spread uniformly across the universe, but are normally grouped into galaxies along with interstellar gas and dust. A typical galaxy contains hundreds of billions of stars, and there are more than 100 billion (1011) galaxies in the observable universe. While it is often believed that stars only exist within galaxies, intergalactic stars have been discovered. Astronomers estimate that there are at least 70 sextillion (7×1022) stars in the observable universe. [Wikipedia].
But didn’t God already say that?? [All Emphasis Added]
God said to Abraham ‘Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.’ And He said to him, ‘So shall your descendants be.’ (Genesis 15:5)”.
‘As the host of heaven (stars) cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant (Jeremiah 33:22).
“Therefore from one man, …were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude– innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore. (Hebrews 11:12)”
“The Bible asserts that the stars are innumerable (Genesis 15:5, Genesis 17:7, Hebrews 11:12). This does not necessarily mean that we are incapable of mathematically expressing their number. It means that no human has the ability to count them individually so as to achieve their sum. It is claimed that there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If stars were counted around the clock at one star per second, then it would take over 3000 years just to count these. Add to this the fact that there are as many as 100 billion galaxies. However, there were many scholars prior to Galileo who believed that the stars could be counted, and several attempts were made to do so. Many of these counts arrived at around 1000 stars.” [1]
Which brings Psalm 8: 3-4 to mind
When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You have ordained; What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him?
An Expanding Universe:
The prophet Isaiah who lived almost 3,000 years ago stated
“It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in.” [40:22]
Scientists are beginning to understand that the universe is expanding, or stretching out. At least seven times the Scriptures clearly tell us that God stretches out the heavens like a curtain.
Space is Empty:
In ancient times it was variously believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant, or even that a mythical Atlas supported the pillars that held heaven and earth apart, and/or carried the earth around on his shoulders (Where he stood while doing so presents an interesting conundrum). However, in what is probably the oldest book of the Bible, Job, living in an ancient culture that knew nothing about space or planets, asserted that God hung the earth on nothing (1500 B.C.) or, in other words, the earth free floats in space.
“He stretches out the north over empty space; he hangs the earth on nothing [Job 26:7]
A fascinating tidbit from scientific history makes the first part of this verse even more telling. Until very recently scientists believed space consisted of a hypothetical substance called Ether. Note the following from Eric Weisstein’s World of Science [All Emphasis Added]
Ether, or luminiferous Ether, was the hypothetical substance through which electromagnetic waves travel. It was proposed by the greek philosopher Aristotle and used by several optical theories as a way to allow propagation of light, which was believed to be impossible in “empty” space.
It was supposed that the ether filled the whole universe and was a stationary frame of reference, which was rigid to electromagnetic waves but completely permeable to matter. Hooke endorsed the idea of the existence of the ether in his work Micrographia (1665), and other several philosophers of the 17th century, including Huygens, did the same. At the time of Maxwell’s mathematical studies of electromagnetism (in the 1860’s), ether was still assumed to be the propagation medium and was imbued with physics properties such as permeability and permittivity.
In 1887, a crucial experiment was performed by Michelson and Edward Morley in an attempt to detect the existence of the ether. The experiment, named the Michelson-Morley experiment in honor of its authors, shocked the scientific community by yielding results which implied the non-existence of ether. This result was later on used by Einstein to refute the existence of the ether and allowed him to develop special relativity without this artificial (and non-existent) constraint. [3]
Which bring us to the second half of Job 26:7…
That Hole In The North
Another interesting tidbit that illuminates the Divine origin of Scripture is the fairly recent discovery of a huge hole in space… in the direction of the northern hemisphere
The universe has a huge hole in it that dwarfs anything else of its kind. The discovery caught astronomers by surprise. The hole is nearly a billion light-years across. It is not a black hole, which is a small sphere of densely packed matter. Rather, this one is mostly devoid of stars, gas and other normal matter, and it’s also strangely empty of the mysterious “dark matter” that permeates the cosmos. Other space voids have been found before, but nothing on this scale. [4]
This “gap” is in the Northern Hemisphere, lying in the general direction of the constellation Bootes. This “hole in space” is a 300 million light year gap in the distribution of galaxies, has taken cosmologists by surprise, not because it exists, but because it is so big.
Indeed, He stretches out the north over the empty place.
Air Has Weight:
The fact that air has weight was proven scientifically only about 300 years ago. The relative weights of air and water are needed for the efficient functioning of the world’s hydrologic cycle, which in turn sustains life on the earth.
When He imparted weight to the wind and meted out the waters by measure [Job 28:25] [Emphasis Added]
Those Singing Stars…
Science has discovered that stars emit radio waves, which are received on earth as a high pitch. God mentioned this in Job 38:7: “When the morning stars sang together…” In fact…
The galaxy is full of objects that emit radio waves, including black holes and stars of various kinds [5]
… And There are Quite a Few of Them:
The first star catalogue was compiled by the Egyptian astronomer Ptolemy in the 2nd century ad. Called the Almagest, it listed the names and locations of 1,028 stars. However, because of telescopes such as the Hubble, we now know that…
Stars are not spread uniformly across the universe, but are normally grouped into galaxies along with interstellar gas and dust. A typical galaxy contains hundreds of billions of stars, and there are more than 100 billion (1011) galaxies in the observable universe. While it is often believed that stars only exist within galaxies, intergalactic stars have been discovered. Astronomers estimate that there are at least 70 sextillion (7×1022) stars in the observable universe. [Wikipedia].
But didn’t God already say that?? [All Emphasis Added]
God said to Abraham ‘Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them.’ And He said to him, ‘So shall your descendants be.’ (Genesis 15:5)”.
‘As the host of heaven (stars) cannot be numbered, nor the sand of the sea measured, so will I multiply the descendants of David My servant (Jeremiah 33:22).
“Therefore from one man, …were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude– innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore. (Hebrews 11:12)”
“The Bible asserts that the stars are innumerable (Genesis 15:5, Genesis 17:7, Hebrews 11:12). This does not necessarily mean that we are incapable of mathematically expressing their number. It means that no human has the ability to count them individually so as to achieve their sum. It is claimed that there are 100 billion stars in our galaxy alone. If stars were counted around the clock at one star per second, then it would take over 3000 years just to count these. Add to this the fact that there are as many as 100 billion galaxies. However, there were many scholars prior to Galileo who believed that the stars could be counted, and several attempts were made to do so. Many of these counts arrived at around 1000 stars.” [1]
Which brings Psalm 8: 3-4 to mind
When I consider Your heavens, the work of Your fingers, the moon and the stars, which You have ordained; What is man that You take thought of him, And the son of man that You care for him?
The Earth
Atoms:
All matter is composed of atoms. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of things that we cannot see- tiny invisible particles called atoms, made up of electrons and protons, which are really not solids, but positive and negative charges of electricity. Whether he specifically understood it or not, the author of the books of Hebrews wrote about atomic structure, nearly 2000 years before it was discovered by scientists.
By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. [Hebrews 11:3] [Emphasis Added]
Interestingly the atom has a dense center called the nucleus, inside which are neutrons, which have no electrical charge and are therefore neutral and protons, which have positive charges. One law of electricity is that like charges repel one another. Therefore, since the protons inside the nucleus are all positive charges, they should repel one another and scatter, but for some reason they do not. There is a binding force, not yet understood, holding them together. Hmmm!
“For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.” (Colossians 1:16-17).
The Earth is a Sphere:
The following statement was made some 2800 years ago (some 750 years before Christ) by a divinely inspired Isaiah.
“He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.” (Isaiah 40:22)
Although Aristotle provided observational evidence for the spherical Earth around 330 BC, most pre-Socratic philosophers, including Leucippus (c. 440 BC) and Democritus (c. 460-370 BC) believed in a flat earth. However, by the time of Christopher Columbus he, and most other educated people of their time, knew that the earth was round. In fact, the Greek mathematician Eratostenes accurately calculated the earth’s circumference in the third century before Christ.
“Other statements in the Bible also indicate that God revealed this truth long ago. For example, David said that God has removed our transgression from us as far as the east is from the west (Ps 103:12). On a spherical surface, east and west are infinitely separated in the sense that one can travel indefinitely in either direction without ever attaining the other. However, Solomon described the wind as blowing in circuits, first towards the south and then turning toward the north. North and south are not infinitely separated as east and west, because a southward traveler on a spherical surface will be heading north after crossing the south pole”. [1]
Also take a moment to really consider the next verse.. [Emphasis Added]
“He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters at the boundary of light and darkness.” (Job 26:10)
Job 26:10 clearly refers to the line of demarcation between day and night. No other interpretation is possible. Such a view of the curved horizon at sunrise or sunset can only be seen from extremely high altitudes reached only by military jets and spacecraft. These writers were given a view of the Earth as a sphere long before Eratosthenes determined that the earth was round in 240BC. He did this by by measuring shadows in Egyptian wells. Although there is a specific Hebrew word for “sphere,” the word used in these passages (“khug”) can mean both circle or sphere. It refers to the shape of an orange as it might be represented in a two-dimensional picture. [6]
Please note that verses like Isaiah 11:12 that refer to “the four corners of the earth”, are a colloquialism that is still used today to portray the four compass extremities of the earth. In fact the Strongs Greek/Hebrew dictionary defines the word “corner” (gonia) as angle, or quadrant.
The Rotation Of The Earth:
was likely revealed in Job 38:12, where God asks of Job:
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; that it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
“God asks Job if he has ever dictated the time of the morning or the location of the sunrise (dayspring). As soon as the sun is risen, its light will take hold of the ends of the earth in the sense that it touches all of the landscape, and the wicked are shaken out of it (the earth) in the sense that thieves, drunkards, adulterers, and others who practice their sins in darkness are forced to desist from these activities as they retreat from the light. Also, the beauties of the earth are revealed by the light, and its coloration is made to appear as that of a beautiful garment. Finally, the text asserts that God’s command of the morning derives from His control of the earth, which is turned as clay to the seal. Hence, the suggestion is that God regulates the morning by rotating the earth as a potter rotates the clay. Yet ancient wisdom would have asserted that God regulated the morning by control of the Sun, and indeed, this is the perception of any uninformed mind”. [1]
The Orbit of The Sun:
Scientists have long believed that the earth revolved around the sun, which was stationary. This caused them to scoff at the following verses which, they said, taught the opposite…
“In them has He set a tabernacle for the sun, which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoices as a strong man to run a race. His [the sun’s] going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.” [Psalm 19:4-6]
However, it was later discovered that the sun has a “circuit” through the heavens, just as the Bible says. The Sun – in fact, our whole solar system – orbits around the center of the Milky Way. The Galaxy is so huge that the Sun requires 230 million years to complete one orbit, although it is moving through space at approximately 600,000 miles per hour.
Gravitational Properties of Constellations:
God asked Job
“Can you bind the cluster of the Pleiades, Or loose the belt of Orion?” (Job 38:31).
“In the last century astrophysicists have discovered that the stars of Pleiades move in unison with each other, and are thus gravitationally bound. They have also discovered that the stars of Orion are free agents that are not gravitationally bound! Interestingly, the three stars that comprise Orion’s belt appear to be closer together than the outer stars in the constellation, but are actually farther apart! (they appear closer together because of the 2-D plane we see them in)”. [7a] All Emphasis Added
Fascinating; thanks. I continue to wonder at how obviously high-horsepower minds like yours can think and give rise to such authoritarian assertions of unalterable truths — especially where allegories would suffice. Do you believe in Biblical inerrancy and literal, factual truth? If so, how do you deal with (see Fareed Zakaria) the huge number of factual errors in all of the Gospels? You do know that a consensus of historians rates the most accurate telling of the story of Jesus’s life the one in the Monty Python movie “Life of Brian”? What is wrong with accepting that, writing long after events occurred, many writers very much ignorant of modern science and of many contemporaneous facts simply told motivational tall tales? Maybe the tales were inspired by some god, and maybe not. Nevertheless, the tales have had great and lasting impact. I think we diminish the value when we try to hold the writers to levels of factual accuracy and scientific insight unknown in their day. Nitpicking details and trying to argue or spin them as strictly factual is both a losing game and a demeaning exercise for some pretty lofty ideals
First off, the Gospels writers Mathew, Mark and John wrote having first personal knowledge of Jesus and their encounters or travels in Jesus ministry…. Luke wrote after having interviewed those that knew Jesus best and had first person knowledge of Jesus after working in His ministry for the three years of traveling throughout their region.
Most historians write well after the second or third personal knowledge of their subjects, which most likely is well over one hundred years or more later in history…
You certainly welcome to believe in your own fairy tales and Fareed Zakaria, and movies made by men whose agendas are to destroy the truth of God, and I will believe in the Almighty God.
It sure seems to me that it is you and the vast majority in the world that choose to believe just that what pleases your hearts, thus your conscious is guiltless in your own minds….
NEWS FLASH – You have no doubt heard the old sayings, “You reap what you sow!”
“If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas!”
“Above all, don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.” – Fyodor Dostoyevsky
For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul (Matthew 16:26)?
I find it intersecting that you would write to me the same observation(s) I have for you: “It sure seems to me that it is you and the vast majority in the world that choose to believe just that what pleases your hearts, thus your conscious is guiltless in your own minds….”
This situation would require some basis for arbitration, and we can not agree on that. I choose verifiable and corroborated facts, and you choose dogma and faith (and erroneously refer to them as facts). So, what constitutes a “fact”? How do we know something to be factual? I have found your answers and reasoning less than compelling, as they seem to stem from some decidedly human writers who simply asserted their authority or truth. The only difference I can see objectively between those “truths” and the manipulations of any charlatan is that you choose believe one and not the other. To say that you believe one because it is “true” adds nothing of value to an objective conversation — because anyone can make that claim for any statement. If you say you simply choose to believe, then we have no argument. If, on the other hand, you assert that I also should believe, then you have not yet found a way to convince me.
Part Two
Pangaea and Peleg:
The Pangaea theory is the hypothesis that the continents once formed a single landmass (called Pangaea which means ‘all lands’ in Greek) before breaking apart and drifting to their present locations. Although the idea caused sharp disagreement among geologists, evidence in favour of continental drift is now extensive. Geological similarities on matching continental edges suggest that they were once joined. Also, the continents resemble pieces of a huge jigsaw puzzle that fit together perfectly. For example the coastline of the West Coast of Africa fits perfectly with the coastline of East Coast of South America
And what does the Bible say..
Genesis 10:25 speaks of a man, whose name Peleg means division. The text then explains that he was so named because in his days the earth was divided.
However in the interest of fairness, it has to be mentioned that there are those that believe that a far more likely explanation for Genesis 10:25 is that it refers to the division of humans into many diverse communities which started with the linguistic division at Babel. However, this is hard to believe since only eight verses later the Bible states, ‘Now the whole earth had one language and one speech’ (Genesis 11:1), and as a result of their disobedience, ‘the LORD confused the language of all the earth’ (Genesis 11:9). .
First and Second Laws of Thermodynamics:
The 1st Law of Thermodynamics states that matter can be neither created nor destroyed, and that the amount of matter in the universe remains constant. If the First Law is correct, which every scientific measurement ever made has confirmed, then the universe could not have created itself, it must have been created in the past, no further creating must be going on, and no loss of creation is occurring. The Bible is the only religious book that correctly portrays the First Law by 1) its description in Genesis of a Creator who is no longer creating, and 2) a Creator who is “upholding all things by the word of his power (Hebrews 1:3)” .
Genesis 2:1 says (after creation):
“Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.”
The Hebrew word used in the above quote is the past definite tense of the verb “finish” indicating an action completed in the past. The creation was “finished” — once and for all. That is what the First Law of Thermodynamics says. It states that neither matter nor energy can be either created or destroyed. There is no “creation” ongoing today. It is “finished” exactly as the Bible states.
The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which states that all systems degenerate from order to disorder, was regarded by Albert Einstein to be the premier Law in science. Again the Bible is the only religious book to accurately describe this Law:
“For the heavens will vanish away like smoke, the earth will grow old like a garment… (Isaiah 51:6)”,
and also a New Testament rendering:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; and they will all grow old like a garment; (Hebrews 1:10-11)” [7a]
Also See The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics… A Law Against Evolution
Talking Lightning?:
When God said in Job 38:35 (written 3,500 years ago)…
“Can you send lightnings, that they may go and say unto you, Here we are?”
It certainly seemed to be a scientifically ludicrous statement — that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves move at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when “the British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing”. [8]
Similarly, Job 38:19 asks, “Where is the way where light dwells?” Modern man has only recently discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a “way,” traveling at 186,000 miles per second.
The Treasures of The Snow:
In the book of Job (written some 3,500 years ago), God asks Job if he had entered into
“the treasures of the snow” [38:22].
I can just hear the critics of yesteryear … Huh! Did He mean that blanket of white stuff that covers everything? What treasures could there possibly be in that? However with the advent of the microscope, man discovered that the ice molecules of each snowflake form in a wide variety of intricate shapes. In other words, each and every single snowflake has a unique and often beautifully symmetrical pattern. Quite a “treasure.”
The Hydrologic Cycle:
The Mississippi River, which is just one of thousands of rivers all over this planet, dumps over six million gallons of water per second into the Gulf of Mexico. The answer to where all that water goes lies in the hydrologic cycle, or circulation of the earth’s water… something that was not fully accepted until the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, although the earliest literature indicating an understanding of this cycle was apparently around the third or fourth century BC.. Aristotle demonstrated only a vague understanding of this process… though he recognized that rain came from clouds, he incorrectly postulated that air turned into water and vice versa.
Either way the Bible accurately portrays of this cycle 2500 years before it was widely accepted. Note the following passages:
For He draws up the drops of water, they distill rain from the mist, which the clouds pour down, they drip upon man abundantly. [Job 36:27,28]
The One who builds His upper chambers in the heavens And has founded His vaulted dome over the earth, He who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the face of the earth, The LORD is His name. [Amos 9:6]
It has only recently been learned that most clouds are formed by ocean evaporation, but again the Bible had it right centuries ago:
“All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; to the place from which the rivers come, there they return again [Ecclesiastes 1:7]”.
The complex nature of how water is supported in clouds despite being heavier than air is clearly implied when God declared to Job [Emphasis Added]
“Do you know how the clouds are balanced, those wondrous works of Him who is perfect in knowledge (Job 37:16). [7a]
Furthermore…
Measuring The Waters:
Modern science has proved that the quantity of water on Earth is just enough for our needs. If the sea became three meters deeper, the water would absorb all the carbon dioxide and nitrogen, and no creature could live any longer.
Isaiah 40:12 (written 2800 years ago) “Who has measured the waters in the hollow of His hand…”
We are told that God has measured the waters and set a proper amount of water on the Earth.
Air Currents:
The wind goes toward the south, and turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit. [Ecclesiastes 1:6]
The Bible describes the circulation of the atmosphere, and includes some principles of fluid dynamics.
The Oceans The Paths Of The Seas:
The Bible says
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him but little lower than God, And crownest him with glory and honor. Thou makest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; Thou hast put all things under his feet: All sheep and oxen, Yea, and the beasts of the field, The birds of the heavens, and the fish of the sea, Whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas. [Psalms 8:4-8] [Emphasis Added]
When the Bible speaks of “the paths of the seas” it is more than likely that it is referring to ocean currents, which was discovered by man only in the 1850’s. The following history of the discovery of these “paths” has been excerpted from Answers in Genesis…
American naval officer and oceanographer Matthew Maury (1806-1873) who wrote the first textbook on modern oceanography called The Physical Geography of the Sea and Its Meteorology, was a Christian who had no doubts about the accuracy of the Bible. After an accident partially disabled him ending his active duty with the Navy, he was appointed superintendent of the US Naval Observatory in Washington. “In his Bible studies, the words of Psalm 8 stuck in his mind: ‘ … whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas’. Maury determined that if God’s Word said there were ‘paths’ in the seas, then there must be paths. So he set out to find them.
He studied old ships’ logs. From these he compiled charts of ocean-wind and sea currents. To study the speed and direction of the ocean currents Maury set adrift weighted bottles known as ‘drift bottles’. These floated slightly below the surface of the water, and thus were not affected by wind. Instructions were sealed in each bottle directing anyone who found one washed ashore to return it. From the location and date on which the bottles were found, Maury was able to develop his charts of the ocean currents—the ‘paths’ of the seas—which greatly aided the science of marine navigation”. [9]
Mountains Under The Seas:
When Jonah, who lived some 2,800 years ago, was in the depths of the ocean, he spoke of going down to the “bottoms of the mountains”. [Emphasis Added]
“I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet have you brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.” [Jonah 2:6]
Only in recent history has man discovered that there are mountains on the ocean floor. The tropical Revillagigedos Islands are the visible peaks of a underwater mountain chain-known as the Eastern Pacific Rise, that stretches all the way to Antarctica. [10]. The deepest part of Mariana’s Trench, east of the Mariana Islands, has been measured at 35,798 feet below sea level. Mount Everest is only 29,035 feet high
Springs Under The Seas:
Hydrothermal vents are found in areas of the ocean floor that are spreading, such as at mid-ocean ridges, where tectonic plates are being pulled apart. Molten magma then rises from deep inside the Earth, superheating the cold ocean water around it. The average temperature of deep-ocean water is only 2°C (36°F). The water coming directly from a hydrothermal vent can reach up to 350°C (662°F) and is rich in dissolved chemicals. The hot spring water forms a plume above the vent, somewhat like smoke rising from a chimney into the air.
The first underwater hot spring to be discovered was probably in 1977, when scientists discovered hot springs at a depth of 2.5 km, on the Galapagos Rift (spreading ridge) off the coast of Ecuador. Since then other hot springs have been found at a number of sites along the mid-oceanic ridges, many on the East Pacific Rise. Giant tube worms, huge clams, and mussels all thrive around the hot springs. [11]
Yet once again the Bible was slightly ahead of man’s discovery..
Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? Or hast thou walked in the recesses of the deep? [Job 38:16] [Emphasis Added]
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Wow, such wisdom! And this is no doubt how we got a perverted, gay, muslim, illegal as president for eight years…
0 – 4 there Bucky, but thanks for playing!
Dear Watchman, once you bring in the bible to justify your opinion you lose all, all credibility. The bible is just a collection of myths and fairy tales.
Last time I looked Israel is doing very well, maybe evern better than us. So please get real or go away.
So, can you give us some indication as to how you came to this great knowledge of there being no such thing as God..? Have you even searched for the truth….? For you to say that someone or something doesn’t exist than you would have had to study everything possible to eliminate the possibility of that existence… So, how much of the Bible have you read… or how many hours have you spent researching ancient authors such as Flavius Josephus, Gaius Caecilius or Eusebius of Caesarea….?
Knowledge is gain from the reading and research of that which one chooses to study and wisdom is that which one displays from that knowledge but it is utterly preposterous to think that one can gain wisdom when there is no regard for the truth.
It is as ridiculous as one calling the evolution theories factual truth when there has never been even one proven fact to back these theories and that is why they call them theories… Whereas, there has been hundreds and hundreds of verses found within the Holy Scriptures pertaining to the Earth, our Universe, Medicine, Science, Time, Matter, Chemistry , Physics, Astronomy, Archaeology and proven as to having been true and written approx. 2000 years ago to as much as 3500 years ago or more.
Here is the proof of scientific facts written within the Bible long before the modern day scientist had discovered them to be true…
( http://www.inplainsite.org/html/scientific_facts_in_the_bible.html ).
There were approx. 40 different authors who wrote in three distinctive languages over a period of 2500 years or more, and yet there is no contradictions that have been found other then spellings and punctuations.
There were 330 prophecies alone written anywhere from approx. 500 to 1500 years before Jesus’ birth that speaks of the coming Messiah’ birth, life, ministry, death and resurrection without any doubt whatsoever this was divinely orchestrated by God.
Sadly billions of liberals will believe a lie in a heartbeat rather than to face the truth of God’s WORD and their sins…. Why else would the Bible say, “The fool says there is no God?”
There is a truism that: YOU CANNOT ARGUE WITH DOGMA
, Your proof is the same thing I am disputing. Before I can accept your argument, you must prove that your source is TRUE. Your are using a flawed source, your bible. There are by far too many contradictions, retold stories, myths and pain old fabrications in it to be proof of most anything. So, how can I dispute your arguments? If I claim that X is the ultimate source of knowledge and I use that to make my argument how can you dispute me. Dogma is dogma and dogma is defined
a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned or doubted
“Without question” denotes blind faith and a lack of thought and acceptance of something unprovable. NO ONE CAN ARGUE WITH DOGMA.
Because you have not taken the time to see how weak the biblical “facts” are I am not sure you can mount an intelligent defence to such silly statement like this:
The prophet Isaiah who lived almost 3,000 years ago stated
“It is He that . . . stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in.” [40:22]
Scientists are beginning to understand that the universe is expanding, or stretching out. At least seven times the Scriptures clearly tell us that God stretches out the heavens like a curtain.
This is a very big stretch. All the author is saying is god gave us a place to live in such as a tent, not that the universe is expanding. Such BS.
So, you deny the scientific evidence that was present in the website I provided above, that’s no surprise!
I can rightfully assume you don’t accept any of the nonsense of evolution, am I right? There hasn’t even been one theory of evolution proven, yet there are hundreds of millions of liberals who believe in evolution.
Do you believe in the stories of the Native American Indians or the wars with them?
Yes the Bible says that God stretches out the heavens as a curtain, but it doesn’t say that God was finished or is not still stretching or expanding the heavens…
let’s hear some more of your so-called contradictions…
You take a metaphor and think it is a scientific fact? If that is not bizarre, then denying evolution certainly is. I do not have to believe, because I know that 2+2-=4. So it is with evolution. It is not a believe, it has no dogma, because it is a fact. A proven fact.
Contradictions? New or old testament?
And what with the Native Americans?
LOL, What do you not understand about “Theories,” you don’t even know what a theory is… Theories are not facts and there hasn’t been even one proven accept in the minds of the deceived…
You seem to believe everything written accept for the Bible but then why not all the other non-Christians are in the same sinking boat.. and your boat is sinking.
You still have not told me new or old testament. And for your edification
Theory is a contemplative and rational type of abstract or generalizing thinking, or the results of such thinking. Depending on the context, the results might for example include generalized explanations of how nature works. The word has its roots in ancient Greek, but in modern use it has taken on several different related meanings. A theory is not the same as a hypothesis. Some theories, even after being proven. are still referred to as a theory, the best example are Evolution and Einstein’s “Theory of Relativity “.
I guess you don’t accept Einstein’s theories either
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16):
Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth (Matthew 12:38-40).
The Pharisees had already made it quite clear that they would not accept Jesus’ claim of authority. They were comfortable in the orderly world they had created, a world in which they, not God, had the last word. They had taken the Law given to Moses, expanded upon it, and then rigorously enforced their rules and regulations with great ceremony and pageantry. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men (Matt. 15:8-9).
It is unlikely they would have been thrilled with the appearance of the Messiah in any form, but they were clearly less than impressed with the carpenter’s son from Nazareth (Matt. 13:55) that openly challenged their interpretations of the Law. They were careful however, Jesus had gained a rather large following, and it wouldn’t do for them to appear as enemies of the people. They didn’t attack His teachings directly; instead, they tried to subtly discredit Him. They approached Him in false humility pretending that they wanted to believe Him and asking only that He provided hem with a miraculous, godly sign so that they might be certain of His word.
Jesus didn’t allow Himself to be drawn into the Pharisees drama. He knew that it would not matter what He did, the Pharisees would only see what their hardened hearts allowed them to see. Having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart (Eph. 418): Instead of immediate proof which He had been providing all along by His many miracles,, Jesus offered up a means by which future generations could confidently identify Him. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Many have said, I wish God would do something to really let me know that He is here. Just as it was in the time of the Pharisees, the confirmation of god’s existence is all around us. We have the wonders of the world in which we live and the teachings of God’s WORD where we find, over and over, the evidence of prophecies fulfilled, and the Spirit driven testimonies of an uncountable number of people whose lives God has touched. – Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse (Romans 1:19-20):
God has provided the evidence, it is just that you and the vast majority choose to deny the evidence.
Einstein’s theory of space, time and gravity predicts a number of new phenomena. Distortions of the geometry of space should propagate into the depths of space as so-called gravitational waves. If enough mass is concentrated in a given location, the perfect geometrical prison should form – a region called a black hole. No object that enters such a region can ever escape! In addition, there are the big bang models, which form the foundation of modern cosmology – the study of the universe as a whole, its structure and evolution.
General relativity is the foundation of modern astrophysics and cosmology. But there is another physical theory at least as fundamental: quantum theory. Our section relativity and the quantum Relativity tells you what happens when you combine quantum theory and Einstein’s special relativity: the result is modern particle physics, the study of the most elementary constituents of matter. The same section takes you right to the frontiers of today’s physics – more concretely, to one of its most persistent unsolved problems: There’s still no complete theory of quantum gravity, i.e. no theory that unites Einstein’s general relativity with the laws of the quantum world.
I gave you the website with the scientific facts found within the Bible but your harden heart refuses to see the proof for what it is… I don’t need to believe in any science, I have my God.
You are a very intelligent person and that is why I find it to hard to believe you belive in myths and fairly tales. The bible tell you nothing in the old testament except the history of the Jews and it is not even a true story.history. The new testament even more so with so many contradictions you have to question it accurace. You do know the Jesus was not the first nor the last to make claims he was the Messiah. But did he really make that claim? He certainly never claimed to be a god. But you know all that and yet cannot see the truth that there is no god the father, so there cannot be a son of god
LOL, [You are a very intelligent person…] You can’t even see nor understand how easy you are fooled.. I have no education beyond high school… A higher education with degrees or a doctorate may very well gain you much in this world but they means nothing if there is no true wisdom and knowledge of God and His authority over all of His creation. Those with no faith in God are blinded by the prince or god of this world, satan.
You are certainly welcome to call it myths and fairly tales, and continue to live in your own fantasy world but your blindness and continual denial of the truth that I have tried to show you will cost you dearly… God’s wish is that none should perish but all should come to Christ Jesus… No one has sinned so great that can’t be saved and none are so good that doesn’t need to be saved.. I pray that with a humbled heart you would read the Book of John and will fall upon your knees and ask God to reveal Himself to you.
Yes, Jesus did claim to be God with several comments He made and this is why the Jews wanted to kill Him:
Jesus said: I am come in my Father’s name (John 5:23).
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me (John 8:16). I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me (John 8:18).
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things (John 8:28).
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works (John 14:10).
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you (John 14:20).
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman (John 15:1).
Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
The woman answered and said, I have no husband.
Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe Me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am He (John 4:9-26).
Intelligence is not measured by formal degrees. And please what is with this Satan thing? If you god is what you say, why create an emeny? That goes against your god being an intelligent entity. It make no sense/ Sounds like a method to gain control of people. “Only my god can protect you from this evil creator, who by the way, I am responsible for’
I have read the book of John and find it wanting is truth and facts. Besides, whoever wrote it was only passing on hear say stories. He had no direct knowledge of the events he tells us about. But all the new testament is the same.
Are we not all the children of your god, not just Jesus?
From what I have read, if Jesus ever lived, he was a devoted Jew. And as such he worshiped only one god and there were none other. Does the ten commandments have anything to say about that? Or are the commandments incorrect, Moses (another myth). couldn’t count?
And why do you keep using unproven scripture to prove your point? The bible is not an acceptable historical correct document. Truth is not an opinion. Show something the is acceptable. No one disputes that there was Caesar or a Pharaoh, yet Jesus who was to have beat death is only referenced by one historian. Doesn’t bode well for your argument. It is like the whole basis of your position is built on myth.
Thrifty tickets? Come on – what does that mean?
Obamacare is a Civil Right factor you and racists should know. You cannot have a nation where some people are treated medically less important than others. That is why President Trump now hates Republicans and TEA Partiers. Their attitude toward racial minorities and women is dumb. So suck it up and call your people in Congress to vote for expanded Obamacare.
So you like paying three times the price for health care as you did last year? You must like working your ass off to pay for the low life’s that sit at home doing drugs & screwing anything with 2 legs.
More power to you , move to Canada or Germany where everybody is equal.
I have worked for 47 years to get ahead and take care of my family not to be as equal as every Tom Dick or Harry! That is the American way. Work hard for A better life than the other Country’s!!🇨🇱
DO YOU THINK THAT pmbalele HAS A JOB………..HE IS THE #2 PROBLEM WITH THE USA ………..ALL THE ILLEGALS, MOOSLUMS, AND LIBERALS NEED TO BE SHIPPED OUT OF THE USA, ALONG WITH OUR #1 PROBLEM……..THE GOVERNMENT WITH THEIR CORRUPT DEMS/RINOS, FBI, DOJ, & CIA……..
NOPE!!!!
Are you the one I told about a TEA Party member who dropped for heat stroke in 2010?She was rushed to the hospital and spent 2 weeks there. The bill came $20,000 for the two weeks. She quit TEA Party for she could pay the bill. So please do not drop there if you do not have health insurance. You will pay deductible all your life. Please encourage your neighbors to vote for Obamacare expanded. I will.
You are for a single payer. No problem there.
HE PAYS NOTHING BUT DOES STAND IN THE WELFARE LINES…..
DIP SHIT!
Obamacare has nothing to do with Civil Rights!! YOU ARE THE RACIST!! YOU obviously want to sit at home on your ass and have your GOVERNMENT take care of you. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN NO ONE HAS A REASON TO GO OUT AND WORK HARDER TO GET AHEAD AND BE BETTER?? EVERYONE WILL BE SITTING AT HOME WAITING FOR THE OTHER GUY TO GO OUT AND WORK!!! EVERYONE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET AN EDUCATION AND A JOB IN THIS COUNTRY. THE POORER YOU ARE AND THE DARKER YOUR SKIN, THE CHEAPER IT IS FOR YOU!!! IF YOU ARE BLACK OR MEXICAN, YOU GET TO GO FOR FREE!! IF YOU ARE WHITE, YOU BETTER HOPE YOUR PARENTS HAD REALLY GOOD PAYING JOBS OR DON’T HAVE A POT TO PISS IN!! BECAUSE OTHER WISE, YOU DON’T HAVE A PRAYER OF GOING TO COLLEGE!!!
I hope you did not have heart attack after posting your blog. Remember those TEA Party members who picketed against President Obama in 2010? One of them dropped for heat stroke. She was rushed to the hospital and spent 2 weeks there. The bill came $20,000 for the two weeks. She quit TEA Party for she could pay the bill. So please do not drop there if you do not have health insurance. You will pay hospital bills all your life. Please encourage your neighbors to vote for Obamacare expanded. I will.
Nothing shows who is medically less important than socialized medicine. People with money and status go to the front of the line and everybody else can wait in the hallway or come back in 3 to 6 months and you get to fork over 70 to 75% of your salary for the priviledge. Can you say, “bend over and cough”?
Maybe , if they went to work, they could afford good health care. May this would stop “rhe government will take care of me.
AMEN TO THAT……..
IF THE PEOPLE WITH $$$$ GO TO THE FRONT OF THE LINE AND THEY ARE USA LEGAL CITIZENS……..HURRAH……….NOW THAT BOZO IS GONE, OUR POTUS IS MAKING SURE OUR VETS WILL RECEIVE WHAT IS DUE THEM………..WE WILL JUST LET THE LIBERALS GO TO THE BACK OF THOSE LINES AND RECEIVE NOTHING…..
DON’T DROP YOUR SOAP IN THE CONGO LINE “SC PATRIOT”………..
AAAMEN!
SC Patriot, you got that right even though it is a little exaggerated! The Rich and Elites, including your Polititions would always be in the front of the line. Sanders is one of the worst old fools who has enriched himself and never held a regular job. Therefore he has no clue what it means to be a working stiff, paying taxes to pay for his salary and other benefits and we are sick of it! His appeal was to the freeloaders and people who couldn’t think for themselves and couldn’t imagine who would ultimately pay for all that. The Countries who have tried this have all fallen into poverty and none of them has ever been the size of America.
Now you’re looking for racism in health care. You are the racist. You are saying whole groups of people can not take care of themselves. If you get what you think you want you are going to find out what has already been proven. Veterans health care if socialist medicine and look how well that’s working out.
As a T Party member from the start your stupidity shows. Expanded OB care? Civil Rights? OMG you are the real racist so stand up and talk about socialist as it is what you are calling for. The minorities and then woman is further evidence for your dumb ass lack of thinking. Trump has more woman working for him at the highest pay than any left has ever had.
LIBERALS ARE THE BIGGEST RACISTS ON THE PLANET………LIBERALS ARE THE ONES WITH THE LOW IQ’s, AND EGOTISTICAL MANIAC REASONING……..
BOZO & HILLARY ONLY HAD MUSLIMS WORKING IN THEIR OFFICES, NO WONDER OUR USA SECRETS WERE SO EASY RAN THRU THOSE CORRUPT COMPUTERS.
I agree granny….I am also Tea Party…have been since I heard king o’s speech in 2007 espousing Marxist crap and the need for a “civilian army better equipped and trained than our military”….an sissy man raised by communists and anti-American terrorists like ayers, dorhn and jarret…and kept them in the WH with him….Americans have been so dumbed down they have no clue and stood there and clapped when he vowed to “fundamentally transform” the USA…..invited BLM, NBP…spouted Saul Alinsky BS in every word…a guy that could not say a coherent sentence without that teleprompter. We voted President Trump into office to get our country BACK to the Constitution…not to socialism. Dan and pmbalele need one way tickets to Venezuela where they can experience their utopia 1st hand. I did not take an oath to uphold our Constitution to see it trashed into communist/Marxist/progressive/socialist hell.
So tell me, where does all of this money magically come from? Is there a money tree that I am unaware of that exists? No, it comes from me, the taxpayer and it comes from raised insurance premiums. So what happens is that the have nots get free and reduced medical while MY medical insurance balloons and my taxes go up. So once again, just like with Obamacare, it’s only affordable to those who don’t work and are poverty level. The rest of us pay through the nose with doubled premiums and raised taxes.
Like everything else in the world, nothing is free for anyone and insurance isn’t a right. You work to EARN what you need. Of course to Democrats and their ilk, the word “work” is a worse swear word than the F word.
it comes from fines and penalties levied against companies polluting, dumping and manipulating safety data silly! We’ll make trillions without taxes.
YOU JUST ESTABLISHED THAT THE USA COMPANIES ARE PAYING THRU THE NOSE FOR ALL THOSE UNWANTED ILLEGALS/MOOSLUMS…….NO WONDER THEY ARE MOVING TO FOREIGN LANDS, AND NOW YOU BUY CHINESE MADE MANURE THAT IS INFERIOR TO ANYTHING MADE IN THE USA……….RECALLS GALORE HAVE BEEN MADE BECAUSE OF THEIR SLOPPINESS IN PRODUCTIVITY…..
rue-ski: have a drink on me… you’ve saved the world from democracy…. go get drunk.
I do believe that you have confused this with carbon and pollution taxes levied against companies for what you stated. Those fines and taxes do not go towards H-C, they are given to the people, US, the taxpayer to pay.
The premise behind these companies being fined for carbon and what have you was to make THEM feel the pain and correct their wasteful and harmful ways. It didn’t work. The companies simply passed the pain onto us, the end user in the form of higher prices. At the same time, my taxes go up and I pay more for my insurance premiums, a LOT more in order to fund this “free H-C for all”.
TADA!!!!! If you’re male, give the man a cigar!!
CORRECT “FLEENDAR”, AND OF COURSE THE ILLEGALS/MOOSLUMS RECEIVED BOZOCARE AT NO COST TO THEM, THAT IS WHY OUR PREMIUMS JUMPED AND OUR DEDUCTIBLES HAVE CAUSED US TO PAY MORE FOR MEDICAL CARE……..NATURALLY WE ARE PAYING FOR THOSE ILLEGALS………KNOWN FACT IS THAT ALL THE ILLEGALS ARE COSTING THE USA $84 BILLION A YEAR, BECAUSE OF THEIR COLLECTING EVERYTHING THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO….
It is called the Cloward-Piven plan…on purpose to collapse America…..
Look shit head, they can go getA job!! Sick & tired of paying for the free loaders!!! So stick it up your ASS!!!
I hope you’re okay with such puke. I am going to ask Erica Hill to come to your house and teach you etiquette for you don’t have any. Have a great weekend. The weather people told us it will be sunny; not as bad as it was in Texas and Florida.
BS………OBAMACARE IS ILLEGAL, JUST LIKE THE KENYAN BORN MUSLIM ILLEGAL DICTATOR……….HE WAS NEVER A LEGAL CIC AND SHOULD BE PUT IN PRISON FOR EVEN TRYING TO RUN FOR CIC…………BOZO HATED THE USA, AND BOZOCARE WAS ONLY PUT IN EFFECT TO HELP THE ILLEGALS AND MOOSLUMS…….NOT THE LEGAL CITIZENS…
ONLY THE LIBERALS ARE TOO BRAINLESS AND INFANTILE TO REALIZE THAT BOZO MEANT TO DESTROY THE USA FROM WITHIN…………YOU LIBERALS ARE THE #2 PROBLEMS WITHIN THE USA……….THE DEMS/RINOS, ILLEGALS/MOOSLUMS ARE #1…………
Are you okay now with that hate? I hope there was a doctor in the house when you puked those words. Reading your posting, worried me that you were going to hurt yourself. Thank God, you’re alive.
barnjoer – You must either be an Insurance Company or Drug Company executive to oppose this plan.
No, I work on high voltage electricity.
Don’t know what makes you say that.
SOUNDS REASONABLE……..YOU BRAIN WAS ZAPPED, AND YOUR IQ IS EXTREMELY LOW…….
DOWN WITH BOZOCARE AND THE LIBERALS………..SHIP OUT THOSE MOOSLUMS AND ILLEGALS……………GET RID OF DACA, ANTIFA……….
what will actually happen is trump will be impeached and his family found criminally libel and jailed right along side him.
Sweet!
WHAT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IS THAT THE LIBERALS, ILLEGALS, MOOSLUMS WILL ALL BE TRANSPORTED OUT OF THE USA…………..THANK GOD………..
GOD BLESS PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR MAGA…………
granny: you’re caps lock is on again…. didn’t anyone teach you rue-skis what “caps lock” is?
If that happens it will after the fact & Obumer& Hitlery And Sanders are sent to Hell!!
All 3 should be exicuted for treason to this Country!!!!
And the Liar-in-Chief is OK to conspire with Russia to steal our democratic process? You got ADD or autism or are you just another fetal-brain-syndrome baby from your kissing-cousin parents??
the only one conspiring with the Russians was Obumer & Hitlery, they are the ones that did the illegal wire tapping of Trump long before the election. So stick it!!!!
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You said it better than I could…..
well, your probably already there!
They can take McCain with them.
this would create a socialism country if they support a system like medicare lots of luck ( who will pay for the supplemental coverage for full coverage ery expensive plus how will rx be covered a medicaid with rx, medicare no rx .
I’m all for really free healthcare so long as Bernie pays the $32 Trillion cost over ten years out of his personal slush fund; otherwise, repeal Obamacare in its entirety.
I am with ya then after the payment he can go to HELL!
It’s about time! While the rest of the developed world has universal health coverage at half the cost, we’ve remained in the Dark Ages just so that we can let insurance & drug companies have massive profits. It’s time we consider what’s good for ordinary people, not just giant corporations.
You are so right. We have the highest healthcare cost and we are lucky if we rank in the top 25 for value, Dark Ages is an understatement
This statement is not true!, Health, Dental and Sight care is the best in the world. I live in a border state and many take the health problems to a different country, most do not have a problem with the treatment but if you do, don’t expect a US Dr. to take care of you, you will have to see your out of country Dr. for help, that includes dental and eye problems and that could be a problem. Of course you will not be allowed to die until you have paid the emergency hospital that tried to help you. Not enough space or time to go into all that is wrong with a single payer.
Lulz
Our healthcare system, despite Obamacare, is the best in the world. Our free market system develops about 90% of all worldwide medical technology and medical breakthroughs.
Medical care represents about 20% of our GDP ($3.6 trillion spend per year.) No matter how you spin it, there is no such thing as free healthcare. Should we go to a single payer system, the $3.6 trillion bill would shift from private to public funding. Total federal government spend in 2016 was about $3.9 trillion with about $3.4 trillion in revenue. Taxes, tariffs, and other fees would have to more than double to begin to pay for “free” healthcare for all.
Is America ready for 60-70% tax rates? Can the federal government provide quality care or would we have less health care for more cost without medical technology developments? Other industrial nations have single payer health care that is no where near the quality and care provided in the USA. Remember the health care that the U.K. provided to baby Charlie Gard? Is that the kind of compassionate health care that we want in America? I don’t think so.
I think you are only doing wishful thinking. Aside from your financial misunderstanding , which we can discuss at a later time, your are misinformed. Please review the following and tell me your thoughts.
The World Health Report 2000, Health Systems: Improving Performance, ranked the U.S. health care system 37th in the world1 — a result that has been discussed frequently during the current debate on U.S. health care reform.
The conceptual framework underlying the rankings2 proposed that health systems should be assessed by comparing the extent to which investments in public health and medical care were contributing to critical social objectives: improving health, reducing health disparities, protecting households from impoverishment due to medical expenses, and providing responsive services that respect the dignity of patients.
The United States was number 1 in terms of health care spending per capita but ranked 39th for infant mortality, 43rd for adult female mortality, 42nd for adult male mortality, and 36th for life expectancy.3 These facts have fueled a question now being discussed in academic circles, as well as by government and the public: Why do we spend so much to get so little?
Nice attempt at deflection. My point is that single payer healthcare is unaffordable and will result with European tax rates and metered sub medical care. How well did the U.K. single payer system work for little Charlie Gard?
Answer: heartless cost/benefit analysis death decree. Works well for the elderly as well.
TIME OUT. You were the one who claimed that the current system has us as the # 1 healthcare system in the world. I just pointed out to you that you were wrong, wrong, wrong. Just as you are wrong about cost and Charlie Gard.
The proposal is for a One Payer System. You should know the more you spread out the risk any insurance becomes cheater. It is a mathematical fact, not an opinion open to debate. So if you include all citizens the risk/cost go down. The proposal does not say anything about the government picking up the whole cost. As with Medicare, citizen pay into the pool, Cost go down and hopefully quality goes up Please review below. Beside cost to each and every citizen going down addressing the causes of increased medical cost will go down if the changes are made as suggested below.
As for that poor Gard famiy, That was a shame, but it it is not a problem that the UK has alone. How many people die in this country because they cant get basic medical treatment. How many thousands of your fellow citizens die because their insurance refuses to pay for treatment or drugs. Take you head out of the sand and look. Our system is a failure and it has to addressed as a failure and fix.
Achieving universal insurance coverage in the United States would protect households against undue financial burdens at the same time that it was saving an estimated 18,000 to 44,000 lives.4,5 However, narrowing the gap in health outcomes between the United States and other high-income countries or even slowing its descent in the rankings would require much more than insurance expansion. Given the vast number of preventable deaths associated with smoking (465,000 per year), hypertension (395,000), obesity (216,000), physical inactivity (191,000), high blood glucose levels (190,000), high levels of low-density lipoprotein cholesterol (113,000), and other dietary risk factors, there are huge opportunities to enact policies that could make a substantial difference in health system performance — and in the population’s health.4 More investments that are targeted at promoting proven strategies — including tobacco taxation and smoking-cessation programs, screening and treatment for high cholesterol and blood pressure, banning of trans fat, creating incentives for people to engage in physical activity, and subsidizing the cost of consumption of n−3 fatty acids — could dramatically reduce mortality and enhance the performance of the U.S. health care system.
While I agree that for the Insurance Companies to make money they must consolidate their risk and recover costs with tiered fees. What you fail to recognize is the reason that Obamacare is failing is the government lied to both the people and the insurance companies. As a result, Insurance Companies have realized that they cannot make money and are opting out of the system. This removes any possibility of marketplace competition. Obamacare includes no incentives to reduce costs hence we are seeing higher premiums (100%+yr/yr) and less care being provided. A single payer system with no competition will fail for the same reasons and destroy incentives for our healthcare care industry medical to continue with technology developments.
You are talking about Obamacare, I am not. Look, the one payer system works. It works all over the world, so there is no question of it does the job. I don’t understand what competition between insurance companies has to do with a one payer system.
As for destroying our healthcare industry and technology development, I really doubt that will happen Innovation and product development will continue to throughout the world. There will always be profits to make and better mouse traps to be developed.
Human nature will not allow innovation to stop.
I like what Bernie Sanders said about single payer healthcare when he touted the huuge success with free medical care and free education in Venezuela. Yeah, that’s just what we need. Not.
Europe has successful healthcare with 70% tax rates where snot nosed Bureaucrats make cost/benefit analysis and coldly determine who eventually gets healthcare, if you live that long, and by default who gets death. If that’s what you want, feel free to move to the totalitarian country (Venezuela comes highly recommended by the Bern) of your choice and leave me freedom and liberty in the USA.
Your slanted view is so apparent, it is reflected is your misleading facts and incorrect conclusion.One can every say your are only providing us with fake news or lies.
As an example, you are taking one country as an example ignoring how successful world wide . What about UK, Canada, France, Italy or Chile. You taken one very bad, weak example to prove your point but it is not valid because there are so many other free nations who have found a single payer system is working.
And if you know anything about insurance, all types of insurance, not just health insurance, by regulation claims can and will be denied, Your claim that when you get old you will be denied treatment by default is pure BS. It is nothing more than fear tactics which Big Insurance and Big Pharm want us to believe. False news and you fell for it.
Now lets talk about your misunderstand or just plain lack of knowledge. We in the US pay personal income tax at a rate that tops out at 52.9% (max federal + state) 39.6% (federal)[146] +0 – 13.3% (state)[147]
Sweden tops the list of the countries with the highest individual income tax rates, a recent data by PWC. At 57 percent, the individual income tax rate in Sweden is the highest in the world, followed by neighboring Denmark (55.41 percent), Finland (55.41 percent) and the Netherlands (52 percent).SO YOU CLAIM OF 70% IS TOTALLY FAKE NEWS.
Single payer healthcare is not affordable simply because the existing Medicare System has $Trillions in unfundable future liability that no tax increase can solve.
Here is the future of single payer healthcare
Obama Administrator Steve Rattner on MSNBC Morning Joe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8UA9mRz7kU
Drop the Mike
OK, the whole premise of this argument is based on unfunded entitlements and the current Medicare model. But before we get into that, we must face the reality that the current system does not work. And single payer works in the rest of the industrial world.
The single payer model can be entered into one of two way. One would be to have people pay for there Medicare as the elderly currently do. The premiums paid would be quite a bit less that for private for profit health insurance. Would you rather pay $1,500 a month or $500 per month. Or we could increase taxes for the common good.
BS. Medicare is not an entitlement as it has been funded through Medicare taxes since 1965. You do not want to admit the cost of a single payer system. Bernie is proposing “Medicare for all.” At least he is smart enough not to talk about how to pay for it because it can’t be done. Medicare is not designed to cover everyone.
At Medicare stands today, it is only funded through 2032 for those 65 and older and probably require additional funding well before 2032 as about 10,000 baby boomers turn 65 on a DAILY basis.
What is the basis for your $500 monthly premium for single payer healthcare? Has CBO scored that number?
The figure of $500 is only to demonstrate the savings, if we go to one payer system. Here is the question as I see it. Our system is rotten and does not work, that is why we have such a poor rating. The world leader in healthcare all use the one payer model, it is then only logical and reasonable to accept the one payer system. If we were number one, as so many are mislead to believe then you have an argument to keep the current system But being number 37 in health care and number one in cost is unacceptable
So what happened to my promised $2,500 Obamacare savings and keep my plan and doctor. Obamacare Lies, lies lies. Obamacare is doing exactly what it was designed to do according to Obamacare economist Jon Grubber. Fail to justify single payer system.
What specifically makes single payer system less expensive and provide better care?
You keep repeating the same BS argument with no supporting facts.
I am not talking about Obamacare why are you?
Proof go to this site for your proof World Health Organization ranking of health systems in …
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems
It’s fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn’t support that view.
I’m talking about Obamacare because it is failing and IS the problem. Obamacare should be repealed and replaced by a market driven healthcare plan that provides quality care at a truly affordable rate with as little government intervention as possible.
My friend, our healthcare system has failed us long before Obamacare, A market driven system has been failing and will continue to keep us paying the most for a finishing 37st or lower. I for one want to see us number one in services and last in cost. Not the other way around which is were we will end up under the current market driven system. There really are somethings, not everything, but some things government can do better than the private sector.
I agree; however, Obamacare has NO coast controls and cost have increased over 100% in the past three years alone. A Government Single Payer System will cost $32 trillion over the next ten years. The ONLY way that bill can be paid is by doubling all federal taxes and fees only to have healthcare metered out by a DMV heartless bureaucracy with even more spiraling costs out of control.
You agree but still want to continue with a failed system? I am not a fan of Obamacare because it has so many errors. As far as cost go in a single pay system, who said the government has to pick up all the cost? If everyone is in the pool the risk is spread out over a much larger number resulting in decrease in risk and therefore lower premiums.
As for healthcare being metered out by DMV, have you ever dealt with an insurance company?
Lastly, my friend, why is the single payer system so successful all over the world and cannot be implemented here in the USA>
Where has it been successful and how much tax do they pay to support it?
You actually don’t know. Well every industrialized nation in the world, except the USA. A for taxes, yes their taxes are a bit higher, but you pay for what you get. And you don;t have super high insurance premiums to pay and you get better healthcare, The USA is ranked 37th in healthcare services and first in cost. It should be turned around to first in healthcare and last in cost.
USA tax rate is at.47.6% combination of federal and local taxes in the USA is the max.
France’s rate is a max of .45% the UK is .45% Norway is .46.9% and the list goes on. All have single payer systems with better healthcare at less cost that we do.
We are not UK, Norway, or France. The US has approximately double the population of these three “sample” countries spread out over about twice the area with 50% of our population concentrated in major metropolitan areas (about 10% of total land area) Bernie Sanders (with 16 Democrats) is proposing “free” healthcare for all by expanding the Medicare system. He does not address how to pay for it. Our government cannot provide free healthcare for all without doubling taxes. Free healthcare would add $3.2 Trillion to current $4.06 trillion total federal government spend. Our government is incapable of providing any cost efficient service.
It was not a sample, it is an example. These and every other industrialized nation has single payer system. Do you understand, very industrialized country has a single payer system. Why, tell me why, can they do it without going broke when we refuse to even try to change. Please tell me, do we just give up and stay with a broken corrupted system?
If we look at the current insurance premiums, how much are profit to these insurance companies? This is money that can go into your pocket.
I agree that insurance companies are profiteering on healthcare care but i don’t see how expanding the federal government could possibly be a solution either. Obamacare was “sold” on the premise that we have 30 million without healthcare. Seven years later Obamacare has doubled costs and we now have 40 million without healthcare.
Please forget Obamacare. I told you I am not a fan. All I am saying is that we have a broken system and the rest of the industrialized world does not. Why? If we cannot correct the current system, why not? If you ask me big insurance and big Pharma have bought and paid for our Congress. You cannot justify us paying such high prices for drugs, while the rest of the world get the same thing at a fraction of our cost, It can not be justified,
What to do> lets try something that is a proven system?
Here is what I think will happen.
New Obamacare rates will continue to soar with fewer insurers providing coverage in 2018 and additional Obamacare taxes kick in making it even more un-affordable.
No changes until 2019 when few, if any, insurers will offer any coverage. Obamacare implodes, as designed, and is completely repealed. It will be up to Democrats and Republicans to actually work together for a more comprehensive affordable approach to quality healthcare with lots of incentives to reduce and contain costs.
PLEASE ENOUGH OBAMACARE. It needs a big make over but is still part of a very flawed system.
I certainly understand why you don’t want to talk about Obamacare. You understand that Obamacare is doing exactly what it was designed to do. FAIL for the sole purpose of going to a single payer system that cannot become financially viable.
Obamacare is not the problem, the system is the problem. Put Trumpcare in that system and it will fail. It is the SYSTEM
OK. We agree our healthcare system is broken. Now what needs to be done to correct the situation? Blog even more about the WHO study that you are so hung up about?
If the Government takes over our healthcare, who will make the decisions? If you think that if the Government regulates It’self that the insurance and drug companies won’t make massive profits you have been on a different planet or been playing Xbox from morning to bedtime! What happens when you get old enough to not be a productive citizen and get sick, Joe Blow who is now your decision maker says your too old and don’t need care anymore! How about when the Doctors quit because they won’t pay them enough and half of them quit and you stand in line for 2 weeks and you only have 1 week to be treated or die! I’m here to tell you there is no free healthcare to be had. Someone pays!
My friend the rest of the industrial world has been living with it for decades and they are very happy. And the old are taken care of better that here. The system works and has been working. Our system works only for the rich and big business.Just because it is a different system doesn’t mean we turn away the sick, That is our current system.
Ah, facts.
I’m sure that’ll go over well here.
Exactly ‘where’ is it ‘working’?? Canadians wait ‘forever’ to see a doctor and, when they need serious surgery–they come HERE!!
Are you from Canada? Or are you accepting the fake news sent out from Big Pharm.
Look at France, Germany and the rest of Europe, as an example. Look our system is not working. The facts are we pay the most and get very little for our buck. That cannot be disputed, which proves it is not working
Canada isn’t the only country that has this. Check out France, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany & Japan. They each have somewhat different systems, but they’re all less expensive & the people are far more satisfied than here.
You are correct, I am only 61 & have had 12 surgerys in the past 8 years. If the government takes over I probably have used up all my Hospital time.
My mother lived to 97.5 years & had not been to A hospital since 1962 & had never used media care in her life till she was 93. At her age the government would have said your to old so just die. She had a pace maker put in & she lived another4.5 years. She passed away 5 years ago. Her mind was still good up intell the day she died, her legs just quit her.
I do agree meds are way to high & hospitals charge way to much for people that do have insurance to make up for those that don’t have any and something has to be done.
The government is NOT the answer they can’t even take care of them selves without taxing the hell out of us. Trump is trying but is not getting any help from either side!!
Ask some one who is beyond there life expediency, How much care beyond making you comfortable and free of pain and hunger can be expected if illness pushes it’s way into your life? All ready there are no more screening for cancer in the lower GI tract, after 75 years, and what about prostate cancer for men, If you have symptoms, it is monitored until, your not free of cancer? There are some others but you get the idea. Women have there own problems as they age. So someone is already making life decisions for us and it will get worse. Not for you perhaps but for someone you love; could be anybody. I could go on but you get what I am trying to say.
ASK A CANADIAN ABOUT FREE HEALTHCARE………
I keep hearing there are not any free lunches does that include Health Care??
Of course.
Of course! But if you do it more efficiently & there’s no middleman (i.e. the insurance companies), you can cut down costs considerably.
Then the Canadians that come here for shorter waits and better care are misguided?
NO THEY HAVE TO SPEND THE BIG BUCKS AS THEY HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE FOR THE USA………….CANADA IS A FREEBEE NETWORK, THAT MAKES YOU WAIT AN ETERNITY TO GET HELP…….
Fool, you get what you pay for. Shorter waits and better care.
Puh-lease! When have you ever seen the Gov’t EVER do anything right? Anything socialist is WRONG, Period! I agree that the drug companies are charging way too much. But having our Governement control our healthcare is suicide. Our Gov’t is typical…a beauracratic night mare on all levels, and imcompetency is so rampent it is laughable. Our Gov’t would mess up a wet-dream.
CANADIANS HAVE FREE HEALTHCARE, THEY JUST WAIT A DECADE TO GET HELP……JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES, AND SOME COUNTRIES JUST WAIT LONG ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE YOU WILL DIE………LIKE ASIA…………
The stories about Canada are greatly exaggerated, but Canada isn’t the only country to have universal healthcare. France, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden & Japan all have healthcare systems that are much less expensive than ours where citizens are far more satisfied with the healthcare they receive. That is where we should look for ideas that would work best for us.
Republicans need to tell the people the truth about one payer. Hell the republicans most likley on board for this. You cannot count on the republicans to do anything for the people. You can bet if we get single payer that politicians will get to keep what they have. Health care where the taxpayers pay 75% of the premiums, no deductible and 100% drug coverage. Their attitude is we have ours so you little people can live with what we give you. We are the important ones not you
Trump has respect for you and your family…pretty much no one else in gov does..Im a US Army Vet been using VA health care for yrs..thats socialized medical care..ya gotta get tough with em sometimes….had one surgery from VA…lived thru it…never know though when they just might let ya die
You have my respect, and the VA is what it is, I never had a problem with the care, and God knows they work hard to keep you healthy. Remember with any medical problem you are 50% responsible for your health maybe more. Thank you for your service
So true. Politicians are self absorbed self serving jackasses.
SO ARE LIBERALS, THE ILLEGALS AND THE MOOSLUMS.
I agree with you but I hate to slander Jaskasses. I hope they understand
I can’t figure what party you are affiliated with. I think it’s the party who want’s everything to be free. I would like everything free. But I never planned for it. I planned for when I couldn’t work anymore. So for 27 years I worked for less pay knowing it would pay off some day,but it was a crap-shoot with no guarantee of a long life. But here we are in our 80’s getting by on a fixed income, Our max dept is under control. As you can tell our live was never out of control. We were brought up to be frugal, and we are. That being said you can tell what party I voted for.
Same here. I did all right and managed to save a little for retirement, but I did it all on my own. No government freebies. I never went without an occasional luxury from time to time, but I never wanted everything free as those on the loony left want. One thing that I’ll always have that those freebie seekers will never have is self respect.
To quote you “I can’t figure what party you are affiliated with. I think it’s the party who want’s everything to be free”. before i continue tell me what I said that gives you that impression by telling you waht the special deal that Obama gave congress? Do you not understand what i said?
You bring 27 years hell that is nothing. My first social security came out when i was 14 I am 73 now My wife picked cotton and beans. lets see you top that with your low pay statement. The pay to pick beans was a hell of a lot lower than your low pay.
To set the record straight I don’t think you should get anything free get out and work for it. I don’t remember my dad tell me son you need to go to work so you can support the people who will not work. WE are on SS people getting free stuff in total $ get more than I do and they did not have to even work for it. before you assume something about someone I suggest you go back and read what was said 2 or 3 times
TOO BAD THE DEMS NEVER TOLD THE TRUTH ABOUT ANYTHING BUT HAD NOTHING BUT LIARS AND SHAFTERS DURING THE DEMS YEARS IN THE WHITE HOUSE…AFTER THE ILLEGALS/ MOOSLUMS/LIBERALS ARE TAKEN OUT OF THE USA. ALONG WITH THE FBI, DOJ, CIA, CONGRESS & THE SENATE WE WILL HAVE A GREAT AND MAGNIFICENT USA..
AFTER RETIREMENT, YOU CAN LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING MORE FUNDS DEDUCTED FROM YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY WHICH NOW AMOUNTS TO $1,200 PER YEAR (DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU GET), THEN IF YOU HAVE OTHER BACK UP INSURANCE, THEY ALSO WILL TAKE OUT MORE………..SO BASICALLY YOU WILL BE PAYING ANYWHERE BETWEEN $2,500 TO 5,000+ PER YEAR…..
TAKE YOUR RETIREMENT EARLY, OTHERWISE THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE DEAD, SO YOU CAN’T COLLECT ANYTHING……
Told my congressman that I would like to give up my SS and Medicare and go on welfare, food stamps,free medical care, rent subsidizes and pay no taxes. The figure for all this is around #35k/yr+. This is a lot more than i get from SS. and they paid nothing in
That is because a lot of the Republicans are RINOs and have shown their cards since we elected President Trump. They have fought him on every single thing that was campaigned on…they are Fabian Socialists and no different than the demoncrap party of communists/socialists/Marxists/anarchists and plain anti-American. They all, like mcconnel, ryan. flake, mccain, graham etc need to be primaried OUT of office…and I did NOT capitalize those names on purpose. And we need to put strong Constitutionalists in…..like here in AZ…we need Dr Kelli Ward and NOT flake!
I agree Flake has to go. As for McCain he is not up for reelection till 2022 but the people may not have to wait that long. if the country is lucky. Tell then the people and the state GOP should mount a recall petition against McCain
yrs ago there was a movie that when ya turned 30..you were killed exterminated for society reasoning…one payer would follow that..skull and crossbone types think its funny
Free healthcare for all citizens?
Wonderful. But the Dems won’t stop there. They will want illegals to get it too. With the lax immigration enforcement we lived with for the last 8 years, it’s going to take more than a wall to keep them out!
They will be storming the beaches of LA in landing craft.
You think we have a problem with immigration now? Try waving healthcare and welfare under their noses. I hope the administration gets the illegal voting straightened out or it won’t matter how well Trump does in office.
luckily we aint that weak to allow it
ITS TIME TO OBEY THE CONSTITUTION…………USING THE 2ND AMENDMENT…….
They already get it……. in emergency rooms.
And that’s where the costs soar!
NO, NOT A CHANCE IN HELL. THE PEOPLE ARE NOT THAT STUPID!
This is the same argument that Republicans have made for the last 60 years, that every improvement in American’s living conditions would “lead to Socialism”. They made this argument with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act and now SandersCare.
Trump ran his campaign with the promise that he would repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act with something cheaper and better, but he and the Republicans had no plan. It was all a lie just to get votes. Mitch McConnell and the Republicans have had seven years to come up with a replacement plan for the ACA, but they have produced nothing, nada, zilch. The Republican Party is so in the pockets of the Insurance Industry and Drug Companies, they are unable to separate the interests of the American people, from their corporate sponsors.
So it is now time for Republicans to shut up, get out of the way and let Democrats do what they do best and that is to help working American’s.
Every other industrialized country has universal health care. It is long past time that Americans have universal single payer health care too. Go Bernie!
Corporation been running America for a long time. You don’t matter so don’t vote when there are exempt for the afordable care act since they make over 150,000 put them out of a job let them know dont run your gonna loose
Damn Dudson, what we face now is the result of Repubs. watching the DumbA$$ok RATS run the USA into a ditch. Repubs. never thought they’d win the last election, neither did you, you MORON. That’s why a plan wasn’t formulated in the last 7 yrs. How stupid are you? OHOMO Care is funded on the backs of working Americans. Greatly increased premiums and deductibles, with less choice and availability. ~20% of the population getting it for free. If it’s soooo bad here, why do so many Canadians and even Hugo Chavez leave their own cuntry (Socialized Med.) for their personal care? Think before you post. You make yourself seem really stupid.
Nothing is free.Someone always has to pay the bill.And that’s the hard working americans.You sold us out.Because you didn’t have the guts to fight for us.Obama violent our nations constitution and you stood by and let him.
Bernie why are you worried about NIGGERCARE!!! You and your wife will be in jail.
Bernie may be right.
True, Socoalism has led to a complete break down in law and order in Venezuela. Crime, looting and eating skinny cats and dogs is commonplace BUT everyone has lost weight due to the shortage of food and rampant disease.
…..Soooo, I guess the Socialist weight loss thing would be good for the USA.
Interesting that you would imply that it was the GOP’s intent to give us a system similar to the rest of the developed world when they hocked up their PPACA onto the floor of Congress. Particularly since they refused to even discuss the subject so long as the system this unnamed asshat whines about was on the table for discussion.
Unfortunately Congress on both sides are working to turn this country into the socialist country they have been dreaming of for the last 50 or so years. They are not going to stop until the people of this great nation puts there foot down and stops them and get them out of office and then take there power and money away from them and don’t let there family’s follow in there foot steps.
Just can’t believe how many people are so anxious to pay over 60% tax so we can lower the standard of our medical care. When you need a painful gall bladder removed and it takes over six months to get the necessary surgery you may be smart enough to understand. Of course all people in congress would have it within a week. You don’t think they aren’t on our Obamacare without a reason do you? Why do you think Canadian residents with money come here for surgery. If they don’t they live in pain for months until somehow or other they can be fit in. Veterans is single payer. It’s run by the gov’t. You can only have what they want you to have and it may take forever to get it. Why would you want to give them the power over your health care.
TIME TO OBEY THE CONSTITUTION…………ESPECIALLY THE 2ND AMENDMENT…..
THIS what the democommies and rinos have wanted from the get-go. MORE POWER, MORE CONTROL of OUR LIVES. Don’t let any of these “elites” pull the wool over your eyes BOTH “parties” are working towards the same goal of complete control over the American people. bernie the socialist, oscumbag, soros, piglosi, schumer,ryan,mcconnell, and hitlery, along with all their communist minions can suck an egg.
I’ve talked with people who are from countries that have universal health care. It’s not all it’s cracked up to be. You simply don’t get the care you need.
This is just the beginning of the end of our country…
I remember Chicken Little saying “The sky is falling; the sky is falling! I am still waiting. One thing that has happened is Trump supporters are really enjoying the crap sandwiches he gives them to share.
Obamacare is nothing more than another form of welfare that transfers money from one end of the spectrum to another…and just as with all these social programs they are never sustainable….recently Bernie proposed universal healthcare for all…yet bernie never tells you how to pay for it…..but we all know don’t we…our taxes will go up to a point where you just handover your paycheck to the government….so lets say in new York…all of your taxes amounts to 65%…well with universal healthcare your taxes would go to 75 to 85 percent…but that still would not be enough…they would add an addititional tax to your gas…may 3 to 8 bucks per gallon…..and the quality of healthcare would turn into a nightmare…instead of getting an appointment for a week or two from now…that same appointment would be a month or two down the line…remember socialism is where you eventually run out of other peoples money….
Well, LeeRoy, I see you’re still posting pure, unadulterated bull-s**t about health care. Oh…I see you’re also blabbering about higher gas taxes. Got ANY MORE bull-s**t to shovel?
Personally, I believe you wouldn’t recognize a “Socialist” if one ran up and kicked your a**, while wearing a name-tag saying, “Hi. I’m a Socialist.”
Do you send your kids to a public school, LeeRoy? Socialism.
Do you draw workman’s comp, if you get injured at work, LeeRoy? Socialism.
How about unemployment benefits, LeeRoy? Socialism.
Anyone in your family on Social Security, LeeRoy? Socialism.
Medicare or Medicaid, LeeRoy? Socialism.
How does THAT grab you, LeeRoy? Like an alligator with LOCK-JAW?
Joe Doofus, those are nothing but High Priced, Top Heavy, insurance policies. Similar to Ponzi Schemes. Get your head out of your A$$. INDIVIDUAL Responsibility, you get what YOU pay for is the American Way. If you demand free stuff from the Gummint, you’re admitting that you’re INCAPABLE of surviving on your own. Admitting that SOMETHING is WRONG with you, Too stupid, Too lazy, Too sickly, inferior to those who DO NOT demand help from the successful. The left claims that Evolution is God’s plan. If so, then let ,” survival of the fittest” ween mankind of the stupid, lazy sickly inferiors, like you, who cannot make it on their own .
So…you really don’t know where the freebies are, do you? And…of course…for your smart mouth, YOU can take a flying f**k at the moon.
Luckily the next election the people have awoken to the horror that is the GOP. As soon as possible we’ll impeach trump, jail him & his family, and get on with making the USA really great; not that con-man swindler’s idea of “great” which really meant lining his pockets with our tax money.
Ya’ll can go to he!! with him.
Ya’ll ? You F’n IDIOT !!! The last 4 Repub. presidents were millionaires+, when elected. The last 2 DumbA$$ok RATS HillBilly Cliton and Barrak Hussein OHOMO had nothing when elected but are now multi millionaires. How’d THAT happen, you MORON? Who lined their pockets with tax payers money. Get an education before you make a FOOL of yourself again. You JACKASS.
SO TIRED of Obamacare (repeal/replace etc) referred to as a failure of the Republican Party. THERE NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUCH A THING AS OBAMACARE IN THE FIRST PLACE. Obama does not care about anything but himself, his muslim family and his husband. Are we still paying this maniac traitor? Our President Trump is doing an incomparable job cleaning up that creeps deliberate messes. And now, while we must attend to cleaning up the past, what are the monsters doing now to mess up the future?? Isn’t that the destroyers strategy…to divide and conquer???
I agree 1,000%!!! However, the damage has been done and we need to deal with it!! We still have ‘idiots’ that believe this is a ‘great’ thing!! I think they’d consider being struck by lighting a ‘wonderful’ experience!!
“cynthia” (I mean russian bot) you have the brains of a peapod. Low cost health care is our right…virtually every 1st world order and most 2nd world order countries have it because they CARE about their people. You are getting free medical in russia aren’t you? So why shouldn’t we get it in the USA?
Health care is a ‘privilege’!! Not a ‘right’!! Our ‘right’ to chose is being compromised by this Government system!! Your just another ‘lib-nut’ who has to insult people rather than hold a ‘conversation’!! If you understand ‘anything’—understand this, NOTHING’s really ‘free’ when it comes to services!! Someone, somewhere is paying for it somehow!! I don’t mind paying for my own health services, when I use them! I DO resent being forced to pay for other people whether I use those services or not!!
You missed the point. The issue is not health care at all, it is the fact that the Republicans are being blamed for not cleaning up another Obama mess. You know so much about Russia maybe you would like it there better. and please understand that health care really is Not a right. Bottom line is …the government doesn’t Owe you anything.
No moron, it’s a right of free men & women in every 1st world order country except ours. And you think that’s just fine?
I guess cynthia is just another rue-ski bot after all.
You are an IDIOT !!! Where is it written in the Constitution that medical care is a right? You SOCIALIST PIGS just want more free
stuff. Did you ever hear, “You get what you pay for”? Seems to me the minorities who are whining for more free stuff are admitting that they are somehow incapable of success by themselves. Isn’t THAT racist?
I didn’t say right in the Constitution moron, I said right as a human being in a 1st world order country. But that went, swingggg, right over your idiot brain didn’t it?
You’re just another fetal-brain-syndrome baby born of your kissing-cousin parents hillbilly.
btw: caps make you look stupid…
I’m not comfortable with a Government Committee being appointed to decide ‘if’ I’m eligible for care, ‘what’ kind of care, and how ‘long’ I can be cared for if ill. Doctors told they have ‘six’ mins. to access a patient and then some ‘idiot’ telling them a patient has been hospitalized ‘too long’–ready or not, dismissed!! Socialized medicine has failed in every country that adopted it!! What ‘numb-skull’ thinks it’ll be any ‘different’ here? I suggest people start being more responsible for their own health. Get off the ‘junk food’, processed foods and drinks. Learn if you have hidden food allergies and respect that. Learn what is ‘really’ healthy and not from some dumb TV ad!! Remember, anything you hear on TV is from someone trying to ‘sell’ you something!! Your personal health is not their concern–your money ‘is’!!
YEP, I agree, If this Bag o $hit, OHOMO Care was sooo good, Congress would have it too. Any IDIOT who is for Socialized Medicine needs to research the Veteran’s Administration and the Native American Health Care systems. Why is health care any different than housing, clothing, the car you drive, the food you eat, the vacation you take? Work and earn the money to pay your own, and your OWN family’s way. DumbA$$ok RATS have trained their voters to be Socialists/Communists, do as little as possible and demand pay in exchange for your vote.
THE DEM/GOP CONGRESS/SENATE ARE NOTHING BUT LITTLE KIDS……THEIR BRAIN WORKS THE SAME…..THEY FOUGHT AGAINST DACA, AND OPENING THE FLOOD GATES FOR THE ILLEGALS/MOOSLUMS DURING BOZO’S TERM, AND NOW BECAUSE PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTS TO END THAT PROBLEM, THEY HAVE SWITCHED THEIR CHOICES TO THAT OF OSAMA BIN OBAMA……
PROVING WITHOUT A SHADOW OF A DOUBT THE CORRUPTION IN THOSE POLITICIANS……..THEY DON’T WANT THEIR PLAYHOUSE DESTROYED AND THEIR EVIL PLAYERS KNOWN TO “WE THE PEOPLE”…….
Hi Granny!!! We’re beginning to see just ‘how many pots’ they have their ‘fingers’ stuck into now, aren’t we?!! Corruption runs ‘deep and wide’ but, then, it’s had many, many years to grow!! As with a ‘cancer’–let’s hope our country survives the attack!!
The problem is the insurance industry.
They stockpiled billions of dollars and then claim they cannot cover healthcare costs it’s a rediculous circus and our paid off representatives in Washington dance around the real problem. There is a simple solution that solves this mess: create legislation to require indemnification of all health insurers.
Just like Obamacare, it helps the less fortunate because they pay no taxes. Its entirely free. Low income earners get subsidies, so low cost. Now we come to the middle class who work and make a decent wage. They will be hit with a huge tax bill with to pay everyone elses medical bills. There will be limited access to medical services and long wait times plus very few specialists. The survival rate for expensive treatments for cancer will plummet. But hey, everyone will have health insurance, not very good health care.
Ryan, McConnell, Graham, Flake, McCain and a few more of the rino’s that are holding back President Trumps agenda. They have lied to us again. The rino’s that are up for re-election must be voted out.
I am concerned about the potential cost. To condemn it because it would be a government program ignores Medicare, which has kept tens of millions out of old-age poverty. Does the writer want to abolish Medicare? Ask most seniors who are surviving thanks to it. However, we need to reduce the cost of Medicare and seem unwilling to do so. That is what scares me about making it universal.
FFFF Sanders and his minions……
Bernie’s ideology summed up in one picture: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e991b67a667ea696e346a3335c12c9385bd2d99cbce64e22327a68520358f7ad.jpg
LOL!! that is great!!
Get rid of the ENTIRE Congress!
Socialized Medicine will lower the skill/ quality of Doctors and eventually will give us less than skilled physicians. The standards for graduation will drop drastically as people who would have gone into Medicine will go into other fields mainly because it won’t pay enough to command their willingness to go through the rigors of going in debt to pay for a medical degree nor the effort to become a top notch surgeon.
Oh, for the love of God, we ALL enjoy some form of Socialism. The “party” whether it’s Republican or Democrat all enjoy socialism. What they don’t like is you and I enjoying the benefits of socialism. Wake up people, forget voting “party” and look at the candidate’s policies. If those of you who voted for Trump think he gives one damn about you, you better think again. If you were brought here as a child, he wants to send you back, if you want to go to Cancun on vacation, you better be prepared to climb his multi-billion dollar wall (which you paid for out of your pocket (taxes). For those of you who are retired and on Social Security and Medicare (which you earned during your working years), he wants to end it and give your money to himself and the millionaires and billionaires, if you’re gay, he won’t let you in the military, and the list goes on and on. Wake up – it’s time to become an independent and vote for the candidate who’s actually going to help you – not himself and his crony cabinet members.
Suzanne….you need a LONG vacation in Venezuela and experience the BS you want for the rest of us…our Founders are roiling in their graves….they were well aware of socialism and the pain it eventually causes…as well as other forms of government…we were to be a Republic…..not a democracy, not a socialist country…free market is the ONLY way to go…I want to buy my health coverage the same way I do my car insurance…with choices…..and if I want to join a co-op I can…one size does NOT fit all…I want freedom and liberty. I work in a hospital and what oshitcare has done to our health system is untenable…we are constantly having “shortages” or one drug or another, supplies..are constantly being told to use less and less because of “budget” constraints etc…..not to mention deductables have sky-rocketed as well as premiums for less care. An example…I had knee surgery 3 years ago for a fractures..it did not heal right and cause arthritis which I did not have before. I was given an injection of Synvisc, and my knee..was great and still is. This year my other knee was broken and I required surgery…same thing. But I am DENIED the treatment I know would work……have my denial letter in hand.
“FREE STUFF!”
The People’s Demokratik Repulik of Kalifornicate tried to implement this at a cost of $400,000,000,000.00. Their state budget was only $108,000,000,000.00. For those of you in Bernie Sanders’ camp, that’s a >407% increase in the budget. Extrapolate that to the National budget and the cost will be more than the GNP.
So much for “FREE STUFF!”
Here’s something else that is “depressingly easy to sell in sound-bite messages to the lowest of the low-information voting public”
“We’re going to build a wall and have Mexico pay for it”
“That was just locker room talk”
” My IQ is one of the highest”
Many other examples could be cited
Yet I bet you support madonna, mylie, ashley who wear their vagina hats and gyrate on stage….you are nothing more than a commie hypocrite!!!!!!!
Debra- Good afternoon and thank you for your reply. However, I have no idea how you have arrived at your conclusions. “commie”? Really? Are you actually suggesting that I am a “commie” simply because I disagree with the author?
My comment was intended to point out contradictions in the author’s point. He seems to be claiming that only “liberals” respond to “sound bite messages” and are “low information”. I was merely giving some exact quotes as a counter-argument. Our president said all those things and many, many people believe them.
Yeah we’re getting those FEMA camps ready for you conservatives. Already got a big contract out for black helicopters.
Keep Soaps Alive.
It is obvious that we need a third party. A party that would
care for America and no for the dirty gain of the establishment. Both Democrats
and Republican are focused on their personal agenda regardless of the future of
our nation. They have this country more than half way destroyed already.
Stay healthy and educate your kids to do the same. This nightmare is just around the corner.
Socialism does not work. Ask Venezuelans. Just a few short years after adopting Socialism, even with all their resources, they are broke, hungry, on the verge of collapse. It is an alternative for proven failure.
Simple answer to the Health Care Plan. Adopt Japan’s program. Tried and proven. Cares for 100% of the population at a cost of 5% of their GNP. Obamacare may provide for 65% and costs 15% of our GNP. NO NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL!
Unfortunatley the giveaways have been to big pahrma, health insurances, banks, coal and oil industries, big agricultue and big business and the rich in general. We’ve given a few crumbs to the poor. We need to stop Socialism for big business. And before you lay that crap on me of being jealous, we’ve got plenty and are thankful for it. We’re instead “Thirsty for Justice” and Christianity. Abortion, health care, for children and all, economic justice, a “living wage” are all Life issues.
Bob Golden, Catholic, formerly life-long Republican, still admire John McCain, 43 years in criminal justice, served in US Army, was chair of one of Pres. Reagan’s advisory councils.
That’s true. That’s why socialized medicine in canada brings their people in droves to be treated in America. You can lie on a gurney in the halls in canada. If you weren’t tested for cholestrol, diabetes, breast cancer before 70, the insurance is fixed so you cannot be tested for negative results unless you have huge symptoms they can’t ignore. Obummercare was fixed as the first way to exit older people. Cuts down on medical costs, long term treatment etc. We’re back to survival of the fittest and normally, over 70 isn’t the fittest. I am NOT for one size fits all. That’s socialized medicine. I pay for the best insurance I can afford and I cannot afford to buy insurance for my neighbors who are without a job, without a permanent home.
With the Rep not caring about the ppl that put them in office. But more for wnat they can get by selling there vote I cant really see why we even vote for them Just to many of the Rep lying to us for there vote so they can get rich They said they would repeal they lied , now no wall and i bet no cut in spending on the budget WHY VOTE FOR REP then , Just so we can say we have 2 party . That is lying to our selfs
Happy 283rd Constitution Day today. Should be a national Holliday, don’t you think? Check out on Google.
If any of the Medicare for all population ever worked in the government controlled health care system they would see how much extra cost is placed on the patient because of rules and regulations that in many times are written to show they are doing something rather than to enhance patient care or reduce cost. 44 years experience in a clinical laboratory.
Single payer and socialized medicine are two different things. Socialized is government owned and operated where they own hospitals and hire doctors. Single payer is giving one insurance monopoly over health care with hospitals and doctors not under government control except pricing. Single payer will make us pay a 11.5 percent tax to pay for it, add that to the 33 percent in taxes we already pay for state and federal rates and that brings us to 44.5 percent in taxes. So basically half your income is paid to taxes. With this the insurance decides what is necessary treatment not your doctor. I pay 1100.00 a month premiums now from 450.00 a month five years ago and is going up another 140.00 a month next year under the current health care mandates of Obama care. That’s 12,000.00 a year from a 45,000.00 a year salary that I work 50 hours a week to earn. Leaves 33,000. A year then after taxes leaves 22,000.00 a year to live on. 14,000.00 a year in house bills leaves 8,000. 00 a year, then 4,000.00 a year in gas to go to work, leaves 4,000.00. Then there’s food and maybe a three day vacation leaves a great 200.00 a year to put away for retirement. And just how high will the tax for this care go? It’s not helping the poor get ahead it’s bringing everyone to be poor. The system we had before aca worked. Everything the government gets its hands on is a disaster.
An insurance company has absolutely nothing to do with providing health care. The industry exists to collect your money and pay for healthcare when you need it. The system fails when there is a profit involved for insurance companies, they collect more than what is needed and keep what’s left over for themselves (billions). This causes rates to go up and payments denied. Indemnified companies return left over monies to the policy holders this is the solution to this problem. All health insurance companies should by law be indemnified. Thank you.
FREE is the most effective word in marketing. Marketing FREE stuff to the village idiots will get more votes for the socialist in Washington. It wont matter to the Privileged Politicians in DC how the money is taken out of the working class pay check, both blue and white collar ,they will be exempt. The “Po” people won’t be paying taxes anyway. Just thank your Political Caste for a 65% tax rate to pay for all their excesses.
Well, I’ve read all your comments and I have a little story to tell all of you about socialized medicine. I have retired to Mexico and have a neighbor who is Canadian. She comes to my neighborhood for five months out of the year, but must return to Canada because of the medical benefits. She had an esophageal problem, but as far as the doctors there were concerned, it was not life threatening and gave here something to calm her nerves and kept moving her name down the list. She still hurt. This went on for at least two years. The last time she visited her Canadian doctor she told them she was going on her annual Mexican visit and guaranteed that she would see a doctor in two days and that’s exactly what happened. Mexico has socialized medicine for those who want it, and medical care for those of us who can pay for it. You don’t want to go to those “free” hospitals. You have to stay in wards, bring your own toilet paper and a Spanish speaking person to stay with you if you are not fluent. There are first class hospitals and doctors here just like in the U.S., but we have to pay for it. I belong to a group, which helps. I have a $5,000USD deductible, which I never meet because I am pretty healthy. There are different programs for different incomes. You chose. Drugs are not outrageous. The U.S. pharma companies are raping us and Hillary is a prime example of why, when she was paid ridiculous amounts for “consultations” – something like $3,000USD for a half hour of her time. What does she know about medical care, except that she knew she was going to benefit from it. I don’t have any answers for the U.S. but know that social medicine is scary when you have to take a number and stand in line for care and when someone more ill than you is bumped up in front of you. And as for Berney, he’s a rich man with three large homes and a wife who took money from her university. He doesn’t need socialized medicine. What’s that about? That’s all from me.
Is it better to die without socialism than to be healthier with socialism? I am having a hard time deciding…
Communists always take over the healthcare of their conquered and then practice Death Care – euthanasia, rationing and sub-standard quality of care; the dumb-(m)ass stooges on the Left haven’t figured this out but when it happens they will of wished the hell that they did!
Remember, NOTHING is free….
This exactly what the Democrats and GOP legislative leaders are being bribed to do.
Yes. CFR is running this country with their CIA in concert … but we must always follow the money and we always end up seeing it is the “Families that control the International and our Big Banks” that also control all the major corporation because they would not let them have access to loans, stocks, bond etc without “the family selecting their person in a key corporate position and on the board to safeguard their investment.
Please take time and evaluate for yourself of the high-ranking CIA agent as he blows whistle on deep state, shadow govt. NSA and CIA at the top of the shadow government apparatus
https://www.infowars.com/high-ranking-cia-agent-blows-whistle-on-deep-state-shadow-govt/
Video 1:07 https://youtu.be/XHbrOg092GA
Video short https://youtu.be/hccgwlFkeqA
How can the failure of the GOP on Obamacare lead us to Socialism? Obama already had turned the U. S into a Socialist country & left a great mess for President Trump to restore the U. S. to a Republic. Unfortunately we have too many dimwitted “Democrats” (who do not even realize they are now socialists)” as well as many so called Republicans who have already been brainwashed by the Obama administration. Where have all the so call leaders gone? They have turned into nothing more than a herd of Sheep following a non existent Sheppard
The demoncraps are communist/Marxist now the RINOs are one worlder globalists..the 2 practically the same…all want this country collapsed …the one world government cannot exist as long as we have borders and our guns…..who is in charge of a one world government?????? SATAN!
well:
1. this article is a bunch of garbage.
2. God’s teaching through His Son “Jesus Christ” completely reflects Socialist overtones, not Socialism per say, but defiantly socialist Overtones.
3.Jesus teaches, “when you do unto the least of these , you do unto Me”.
Jesus hung out with the poor, needy and the out cat more than with the well off and elites. He stood up to the “religious leaders” of His day, labeling them a generation of hypocrites and vipers.
4. So a move toward Socialism would not be that bad or out of place Biblical y.It atcually would be a Biblical move.
What the American people need to do is demand that the Rhinos mitch and Ryan step down so the country and move on and get a better health care . These 2 are holding up the works.———-We don’t want SOCIALISM OR THE ONE PAY HEALTHCARE THAT HAS RUINED ENGLAND AND CANADA.!!! Get your heads out of the sand and see what this one pay health care will cost you in time if you need immediate surg. —-a yrs wait people. None of us want that.!
lol…it has not ruined Canada, lol. I’ve had it for 40+ years. It costs a max. of $900/YEAR as a ‘taxable benefit’ and EVERYONE is covered – no matter their circumstances – rich/poor/ – from birth to death. We do NOT wait forever for treatment and we take pride in the skills of our Doctors/Hospitals. We do NOT go to the USA for care unless it’s a procedure NOT offered in Canada and then, they pay for that upon prior approval. You are so mistaken about it. Canada is not a Socialistic Country…never has been. and, pray tell..how does dropping the health insurance industry cause socialism? We don’t have ONE member of Federal Govt nor State Govt that is a Socialist….although there is a Party. come on….well, now you know ONE canadian who has Universal Health Care and we’ll fight to say it from privatization – health insurance industry.
John McCain, you will go down in history as a horrible pilot, trader,treasonous Communist supporter. I would rather go down history as a complete unknown than a absolute horrible, hated person like you will.
well:
1. this article is a bunch of garbage.
2. God’s teaching
through His Son “Jesus Christ” completely reflects Socialist overtones,
not Socialism per say, but defiantly socialist Overtones.
3.Jesus teaches, “when you do unto the least of these , you do unto Me”.
Jesus
hung out with the poor, needy and the out cast more than with the well
off and elites. He stood up to the “religious leaders” of His day,
labeling them a generation of hypocrites and vipers.
4. So a move toward Socialism would not be that bad or out of place Biblical y.It actually would be a Biblical move.
5. The gop republican pasty in currently the “face” of Evil in mind set and attitude in our nation and in the world with trump at its head, he in mind set and attitude is the emissary of Satan.
Yours are purely the rantings of an uneducated idiot. What will a rube like you do to address the already impossible TWENTY TRILLION DOLLAR deficit? Add to that trillions more for an unsustainable social system and you bankrupt an entire economy and NO ONE will be covered. Go stick your nose back in your bible and find the passage that tells you how we get out of debt at the rate we’re going.
How about cutting that War Machine spending….of which we still haven’t recovered from Bush’s lying war that he hid off the books. Oh, we’re in too many wars to stop the spending? Yes, we do have an unsustainable Corporate system that is driving us broke. Stop Corporate Welfare thru subsidies that we’ve paid to them for decades and they are quite profitable. How much longer must we pay for corporate WELFARE? I’m no bible thumper but can you blame Dan for his response? Most corporate fascist pages spew the Leviticus crap day/night. Theocratic/Oligarchy and I don’t like Religion!
Blah, blah, blah, blah. I didn’t waste my time reading your useless crap.
The simple point of fact is that the tipping point for the Republic came and went during the 1992 Presidential election.
Bill Clinton was, and is, a lying son of a bitch. When he said he smoked marijuana but never inhaled – it was a plain and simple lie. The “free press” gave him a pass. It was the justification every lying bastard who was, and is, a professional politician craved – a get out of jail free card.
I consider every voter for Clinton a traitor to the Republic.
It is sad, but the Republic is dead. The vestige will limp along in the meantime.
I don’t like Clinton at ALL but this is off the wall talk, Wow!
Perhaps we shall agree to disagree. I have never been able to understand Mr. Clinton’s statement. It defies reason.
I think any person who claims to understand such a statement ought to wear a sign that states “Kick me – I am stupid”.
Those who pay for Socialized Medicine are our employers and those who work for them. Think of paying for all those who do not, or do not want to work. There are literally millions of Americans who never pay a dime for their medical care or medications, and just think what it would be like if we also have to support the illegals, refugees, elderly, unemployed, students., etc. America simply cannot afford Socialized Medicine.
If WE allow this to happen we will have no one to blame but ourselves. It has already been exposed that this is WHOLLY unsustainable because of all the aid we send other countries as well as all the welfare programs we already support. Bernout Sanders even admitted that it would be too expensive. With a TWENTY TRILLION DOLLAR deficit has to be addressed before we think about adding TRILLIONS MORE to cover illegals, refugees and the welfare class we already support.
It is called the Cloward-Piven Plan….all to collapse our country…..put together by traitors to this country. Get so many on the dole to overwhelm our social services…Frances Piven still works as a prof at Columbia U
Thanks for the response. I will use your information on other sites. Have a great day!!!
barnjoer is certainly articulate and thoughtful
BERNIE IS A COMPLETE ASS HOLE. NO ONE IS GOING TO VOTE OR EVEN THINK OF WANTING HIS SINGLE PAY HEALTH BILL. HES A COMPLETE IDIOT WHO WANTS THIS COUNTRY TO BE A SOCIALIST COUNTRY AND DO THINGS HIS WAY, NOT YOUR WAY. HE CAN GO TO HELL.
Democrats have always been Marxists. Marxism is expected of the them. The problem is the Republican Party. We gave them the power and a mandate to repeal Obamacare. What have they done? Kept it in place!
We’ve told these worthless Republicans of the communist nature of Obamacare and the danger it poses to the freedoms in America. They refused to listen and in their arrogance refused to repeal Obamacare. The GOP needs to be replaced with a political body that will fight for the country!
Anyone that expects help from the GOP needs to come up with another plan.
The GOP is only the other side of the dimocrat coin.
John McCain did the dirty deed of voting against halting Obamacare. It is Not Trump’s fault.
Put the blame on the leader of the swamp, McCain. He’s getting back at the American people for not giving him and Palin the WH in 08.
If we end up with Socialism, then it will be the Democrats and RINO’ s fault if we end up like Venezuela.
Oh my, my, my. Venezuela is a Democracy and although Bush coup’d them…they restored their fairly elected officials shortly after. That wasn’t good enough as corporations didn’t get their oil/water….so, they just tried again, but, alas….More people voted for leaders and the coup failed. They have you convinced that getting rid of the health insurance industry will cause a Socialistic gov’t. How can that happen? We don’t have not ONE elected Socialist in our gov’t or State Gov’ts. Who’s going to do all that because we end the industry? And, DNC’s are FOR corporations, too. ACA did not eliminate the Industry…in fact, they made even higher profits. Independents in the USA are the ones demanding single payer and if you are affiliated with the industry or believe in the corporate agenda…than you obviously feel that way, but, it’s far from the truth. The industry needs to go….we never liked middle men, so, why now? Get ’em out…everyone will save and have great health CARE for a change.
Get rid of Sanders. Socialized medicine is wrong. Taxes will increase and it will take away our rights to chose which medical treatment we want and when we want it. We will have no choices in our medical care. Medicare is supposed to be for retired people not for the general populous. Why should people who never paid into the system get the same benefits as those of us who worked all our lives? Not fair.
You are so very wrong. Shaking my head cause you fell for ALL the false propaganda royally. Sorry for that b/c it is not like that at all. Read some of my comments above. I’ve lived with Universal. Please take the time to read it. When I was raising my daughter, I enjoyed life much more when I knew that I’d NEVER go bankrupt due to health or her health. I know many here that lost houses, everything for a heart transplant or young families who give birth to an autistic child (that ratio now is 1:68). Yes, if you are in an accident or disabled vet or no matter…you are covered @ $900/YEAR as a ‘taxable benefit’. Come on…why wouldn’t anyone with good economic/social sense see that it’s better without the health insurance running things & common sense alone will tell you it’s going to be a cost savings.
I’ve talked directly with people, in person. that have dealt with socialized medicine. You do not get the care you would with our current system. We don’t need socialized anything. We need our democracy NOT socialized anything. I know people from GB.
BS! I have it and I’m telling you that is BS. We have the BEST Doctors & facilities. We have rehab, we have mental health care/facilities, we have every Doctor in EVERY field. We live LONGER than YOU do and that is a matter of public record. It is NOT socialized and stop saying that. We PAY for it…Companies pay for it…it is a ‘taxable benefit’ at the end of the year and it is well-funded by all of us. You listen to BS!
If you want socialized medicine then go to where it already exists. Most of us don’t want it
AMERICA , OLD GLORY, IS LIKE YOU BEING IN THE DESERT, DIEING AND YOU SEE THE VULCHURES CIRCLING AROUND, TO FINISH YOU OFF.,.
The Democrats want to suck the financial blood out of you
The Liberals circle and want to take away all your moral standards and rights by picking your brain flesh clean.
The Muslims circle and want to torment you in your last breath to give up your God and faith, for theirs or you face torture.
So it’s a lie to begin with because it’s not “free healthcare for everyone”, only “free” for those who are on welfare and those who don’t work. Meanwhile, it’s NOT affordable for me. But, ya know, it doesn’t matter how much it costs me because I am rewarded mightily with the feelings of joy knowing that millions of deadbeat slobs and illegal aliens are getting taken care of for free on MY dime.
No more career politicians and no socialist bee ess.
Do not replace Obamacare just let it die and open the free interprise market to those who want to buy Insurance.
Free enterprise market…open it? Pray tell, just what have we been in for decades now? All the insurance companies are “for profit”. Health used to be “non for profit” and was actually not too bad. But, at my age, I resent going to Dr based on what an insurance company tells me when, how often, if I can have treatments and for how long. What the heck is that all about? I’ve had Universal…we NEVER go thru the paperwork, the searching for Dr who take your insurance, and especially the cost. Are you people NUTS? We only pay max. $900/YEAR…top earners…that’s all we pay. We get better than good health care…we get preventative health care and top Doctors & facilities. You must like doling out the funds for a FAKE narrative about Single Payer/Universal….or you work in the Industry…cause the majority of Americans have already figure out they’re getting ripped off.
Yes. Obamacare did usher in socialism. He was speaking to a reporter about ACA just as it was brought to the floor. He made a statement which I never heard repeated, and the announcer went to a commercial immediately after he said it. The announcer asked him if he was confident that ACA would past. Obama replied, “Yes, I have the manufacturing, the banks, and as soon as I get medical care, I will have it all”. It was pretty clear what his agenda was. He is still trying to destroy the country, and may yet succeed.
So, by the same thought process you espouse….EVERY Country in the World is now Socialist because they get Universal Health CARE, eh? We do NOT need the Health Insurance Companies…don’t you get that? Koch’s Health Insurance ALEC members will fight for their industry until we are all long dead. Why do you support an industry that has been gouging us for decades…since they went “for profit”. And, they refuse to go back to “non profit”…they love that $$. Meanwhile, all you are paying the price. Canadians pay maximum of $900/yr and that’s top end of salary. No more than that. EVERYONE is covered for Everything from birth to death. Now, do you see why they want us to reject it? Screw Insurance industry anyways. We have Auto/home/business/farm/renters/life/death/….come on….they must be the biggest industry in the USA…besides Koch’s, lol. We are being taken to the cleaners!!
You have a different thought process than I do
Yes i can see where it would It will also end the lying Rep dems and maybe the party . This new deal the dem ryan and cassidy are pushing isnt what they said are even what the country needs If ryan and cassidy are for it then it cant be good for the ppl are country . Just dont see what all those dems in the Rep party dont know about the work REPEAL . . The name rep party now days stand for dems slaves it looks like They crawled on the floor for there dem obambo . We gave them some one to fight for the country and they still obay the dems . So i can see why even vote for a conservative claiming dem again
If republicans fail to repeal and replace Obamacare, they will be voted out of office! 2018 will change the face of politics!
IF we EVER get Fair Elections again….they will be replaced….not until then.
I do Not believe the REAL American people will settle for any kind of Socialism/Communism, we Love our Freedoms, All of them. Those on the Left do not like nor do they tolerate any kind of freedoms. That is what we REAL Americans are fighting for, Our Freedoms. And it’s worth it!!!
How do you think Fascists represent REAL freedom? Koch’s fascist ideology is NOT about YOUR Freedom but Corporations Freedom. Koch’s control the Whitehouse with 70% of Koch men in the Administration….that isn’t draining the Swamp but instilling a Fascist Gov’t. And, Koch’s next agenda item is to strip the Constitution thru Article V. You really want that Constitution gone, eh?
You did not get my real message OR you mis-read it.
Had you said….those on the RIGHT….I’d agree with you. The left are not socialists nor fascists. The left are Americans for our Rights/Freedoms and CURRENT Constitution. They are the middle class. Life in America without a middle class will NOT succeed.
So if these fools think that the government can run a medical system, let them look at the VA for how wonderful a single payer would be.
What you get wrong in this assumption is that the Federal Gov’t funds the VA….they do NOT run it. Your STATE Governor administers the program. If it’s bad….it’s THEIR fault!! BTW, our VA here in Detroit is absolutely TERRIFIC! The Governor stinks, but, the VA works.
No it means come election day some of the current politicians will be removed with some new blood.
Yep, McConnell, Ryan, Walker, Rauner, Scott, And on and on.
Well they’re not making it better. They’re just lining they’re own pockets and letting the rich get richer. This congress don’t give a damn about the american worker.
As a democrat this type of garbage makes me rethink my stand and consider becoming a socialist. LOLOLOLOL The fascist right is a bigger evil. First, you destroy Hitler, then you go after the socialists. Think about it. Fascist jerks.
The Taxes would fly out of control
There are NO taxes involved. Top earners only pay the MAXIMUM of $900/yr. It’s a ‘taxable benefit’ on your income tax. Stop believing the fake narrative that is out there to Keep the insurance industry gouging us.
Our you crazy.?
The Government would have to raise taxes to cover Socialist medical expenses. Talk to people from Canada and see. America is 20 Trillion in debt, they don’t have the funds for that crap.
It should go back to the way it was, if you don’t have insurance, make payments. That’s what I’ve always done.
I’ve enjoyed Universal Health CARE without Any insurance middle men gouging for over 40 yrs.. Equality in the eyes of medicine no matter your ‘condition’…from birth to death. Maximum cost is $900/yr and that’s if you earn top salary. We don’t use health insurance industry and we actually live longer than Americans due to preventative medicine practices. All the nonsense about long waiting times is just that…..nonsense. ONCE that happened when Doctors ran for the border leaving us stranded for 2 years. Has never happened again. And, if Greed is what drives Doctors than …go to the States and put up with all the paperwork and crap of administering to your patients under the condition of health insurance industries determinations. People in the USA are finding out that they don’t need a middle man and that’s what scares Koch’s ALEC members…..It’s inevitable and works for all.
Oh, no comments, eh? You don’t want to challenge truth? I’m surprised and you sure won’t accept the truth.
Trump change all of the congress, senate, and the house insurance plans. I think when it comes to our healthcare they work for us and because of such should have to live with the same standards as the rest of us. I’ll bet they all come up with a good plan that everyone would love if they had to use it also. This is ridiculous that we are letting the left keep us from having our own healthcare and have to be on this Obamacare. Most of us middle class can not afford the premiums little on the deductible. This is INSANE!!!
All that free stuff Obama gave away that we paid for? I didnt need a cell phone and I wasnt even offered one. Obama must of known that because he went ahead and charged us all for one regardless. I just found out he had a scam going on with that also. Got to give him that ? What an enterprising idea to give dead people phones on the books yet keep them? Some of you forking low lifes would aplaud that.
Yeah! Great idea! Take the phones from the elderly who need it for emergencies. AT&T can’t afford to give anything from their billions/yr in profits. Great Idea! Let them die on the floor.
LMFAO – you’ll see a civil war and them running to bunkers especially the new one in Denver……
I would rather have a single payer health care system than the constant fight on the repeal and replace of Obamacare.
I’ll bet all those overworked doctors and nurses can’t wait to become public employees. (Not!)
They are NOT public employees…..Doctors around here live in mansions buddy. You don’t know what you’re talking about. I have Canadian Universal, roflmao at YOU.
I have relatives in Toronto. They are not impressed with the system you have.
How long do you wait for action once you are diagnosed with something like cancer that demands immediate care? Why do Canadians come here for the highest quality health care if they can ?
“For an idea that has long lingered on the fringes of the Democratic Party, Sanders’ version of socialized medicine has attracted some big-name supporters. While the leadership remains skeptical, heavy hitters like Kamala Harris of California and Cory Booker of New Jersey ” America is a Republic, not a Socialistic, open borders, one world order one. Maybe these “heavy hitters” ought to pay for socialized medicine. The working taxpayers are getting tired of supporting everyone else. We have to pay for our healthcare insurance (that keeps going up) and then our taxes go towards healthcare for others. These ignorant Socialists want to provide amnesty for illegals and also give them Free healthcare, education, food and other Social Services, all on the back of the taxpayers. We already have the biggest food lines since the great depression, you just don’t see them because the government issues Credit Cards to them. Just one program WIC has 43 Million people using it, there are plenty more programs some Federal, some local and then you have private churches that also provide food to people that need it. We owe over 20 Trillion dollars and have only 1/2 our citizens working and less paying taxes. Why would any country want to implement a Socialized medicine program that will surely suck up all their financial wealth.
Universal Health CARE is NOT socialized medicine fools. We ALL pay into it! You people are just too brainwashed and fascist lovers to “get anything” other than what you are told…over & over & over. The majority of people know that so guess it’s understandable that some are not intelligent to “Understand”. Sorry for your lot, but, the majority will END Insurance Companies in the health sector whether you agree or not. Find another job!
“We’re not sure where the “point of no return” might lie, but universal healthcare could very well be it. We need Republicans to start telling the unvarnished truth about what such a scheme would do to this country, and we need them to start getting very good at it.” Yes; get on board and tell the truths that the rest of the developed world knows, and that special interests deny and distort in the US. Single-payer, universal care is undoubtedly the best way to go.
Democrats are in the process of destroying our American health care system. Our brightest and best young people are no longer making the sacrifice necessary to become doctors in a system that rewards them so poorly. When the inevitable doctor shortage occurs, people won’t see a doctor when they need one for any price. Once health care is free for everyone, it will have little if a