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It DOESN’T Just Happen Here: The Left’s Big Gun Lie
Posted On 03 Oct 2017
One of the most frequently shared articles on the internet after a mass shooting is a piece of satire from The Onion.
The headline: “No Way to Prevent This,” Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens.
The gist of it, as you may have guessed, is to make the claim that the U.S. is the only place in the world where these mass shootings take place. In other, more civilized countries (think Europe), they have strict gun control laws that keep these tragedies from happening. But U.S. politicians (think Republicans) are so beholden to the NRA that the refuse to acknowledge the facts.
If it was just The Onion making this case, it wouldn’t be worth mentioning. But in their inimitable way, the satirical paper echoes the same argument that Democrats have been making for years. And they were certainly making those arguments this week, complete with PLENTY of references to Australia’s crackdown on guns after a mass shooting of their own. To hear the left tell the tale, the only thing standing between us and a country free from mass slayings is the political willpower. If it weren’t for that dag-blasted NRA, we could join Europe in a state of gun-violence-free bliss.
But is that really true? Is that really the case in Europe? Is the U.S. REALLY the only nation where this happens?
Not at all. In fact, in recent years, countries like France have been keeping up with the U.S. when it comes to mass shootings in public places. Thanks to Islamic terrorism, we’ve seen machine gun mayhem in the streets of Paris, including the devastating 2015 concert attack that left 130 people dead. This is in a country and a city with some of the strictest gun control legislation you could possibly come up with. And yet, while the automatic-style gunfire that took 59 lives in Vegas was a historical anomaly in the U.S., France has had four fully-automatic rifle attacks in the very recent past. You don’t stop these guns by making them illegal. Any more than you stop mass murder by making THAT illegal, which is obvious to anyone who stops for a second to think.
But the left doesn’t want Americans to think in the wake of these tragedies. They only want you to feel. And it’s impossible NOT to feel shock and heartache when you watch those videos. When you hear that nasty sound of gunfire spraying down on a crowd of thousands. Over and over again. Relentless. For ten, fifteen seconds at a time. It must have felt like hours to those in that field, just praying that they would make it out alive. It’s only natural to watch those videos and feel a surge of emotion – a surge that seems to say, “We have to DO something!”
But the sad truth is that, sometimes, there is nothing we CAN do. We can pass laws and have public debates and demand answers…but it ultimately comes to little more than dramatic theater. If someone is intent, in the land of the free, to slaughter his fellow man, he can find a way to do it. It doesn’t matter how many laws we pass. France, and other European countries, are a testament to that.
Common sense. (Which the alt-left Democrats lack)
redundant.
LOL..no Gene, most DemonRATS ARE brain damaged!
You are a doctor? You do seem to want to insult rather than discuss.
One can not discuss with a democrat as they are always right !!
Uh – Democrats are to the left while Republicans are to the right, However, we tend to be correct.
Facts work, and show it. As you were fawning all over Killary, you voted for a woman that has never done, or accomplished anything for anyone other then herself.
Now on to gay boy Badrock Omuslim.
Debt the day he started-$10,626,877,048,913.08
The debt the day he left-$18,722,746,583,118.03. With nothing to show for it!
Now we’ll look at GDP.
We have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama’s economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama’s business cycle theweakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.
An average annual GDP growth of 1.48% during Obama’s two terms…
Now we’ll look at Solar.
http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-failed-obama-green-energy-solar-companies/
Here’s more.
http://www.dividedstates.com/list-of-obama-failures-of-obama-as-president-numbering-at-least-1063/
You make sure you keep track of the debt…once the massive tax cut goes thru…assuming it does the debt will skyrocket and stock market will crash !!
Slow stead growth is much better then Rapid Growth to Crash !!
Sept tRump brought us 33,000 jobs lost until we get an update.
Also ended the longest jobs growth streak in history !!
Also here’s the stock market…
Trump can thank Obama for this…
You can expect a tRump crash any day now !!
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Your coon debt when he entered -$10,626,877,048,913.08
When he left -$18,722,746,583,118.03. Nothing to show for it.
We have the final nail in the coffin of President Obama’s economic reign. Not only is the average annual growth rate of just 1.48% during Obama’s business cycle theweakest of any expansion since at least 1949, he has just become the only President to have not had even one year of 3% GDP growth.
An average annual GDP growth of 1.48% during Obama’s two terms…
The GDP is higher now, then in all 8 years of your Muslim.
I know you hate facts about your destroyer Barry.
Current 20,382,178,657,059.56
18,722,746,583,118.03
tRump added 1,659,432,073,941.53
Absolutely Nothing to show for it.!!!!
Current 20,382,178,657,059.56
18,722,746,583,118.03
tRump added 1,659,432,073,941.53
Absolutely Nothing to show for it.!!!!
And your numbers you copied are wrong !!
Also there is a difference between GDP and GDP growth rate…and you convoluted those numbers as well.!!
But we’ll give you an F+ for copy/paste without understanding !!
Suggest you spend more time on your own education to improve your skill base !!
Remember “Its all bout the BASS…No Trumpsters ”
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You can add this also to the tRump lies !!!!
This is going into mediocrity.
Most democrats are just scared. I do not know much about far Alt left faction, if there is one. However, wealthy GOP registered individuals have been known to use their own guns to kill their spouses, or have someone else do it for them.
Most of the shooters/criminals are found to be democrats. And make no mistake – ALL democrats are of the alt-left faction. It’s their nature.
Anyone can become a killer if he lets evil take over – and democrats are at the core nothing but evil (the evidence is their support for abortion which has killed millions of innocent babies).
I’ll bet you can’t define Common Sense !!
Bet I can.
If you could you would have used it already !!!!
You missed it … but that would not be a surprise to anyone.
Prove it !!
with asswipe like the editors, siding with incompetent-reasoning-leftist-dumbocrats, who need “unbiased” editorial “editors.
I assume you are in favor of one political party – the Republican. Great. How many verses of “Das Horst Wessel Lied” do you know? Ich kenne ein. Du muesst allies lernen.
Did you mean the Pferde arsh lied .
Nein. Dass “Horst Wessel Lied.” Du verstehst dass nicht?
Ok, I will bite what is a Horst Wessel ??
Du bist sehr eine grossen Dumkomph! The Horst Wessel Lied is/was the Nazi Party Anthem and the unofficial second national anthem of Das Dritte Reich. You need to learn some history,
Never was interested in the Nazi history , as it should be put to bed with the Skin heads trying to imitate them . That was hell on earth just like what the Romans did . Your German is not written properly .
Would you care to tell me what is wrong with my German? Those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it,
Du bist ein sehr grosser dumkopf . I do Not See another Hitler style coming . The Closest right Now is NK and some of the Middle East .
His wives say he sleeps with Hitler books by his bedside.
You could dispute that, saying he can’t read..which is viable !
6 Degrees
He’s a very angry old boy !!
Need more ???
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Still having wet dreams and night maker because Hillary lost . The USA had its black Satan Hitler . You could not get close enough to any of his wives ,so take your lies and BS elsewhere . They would spit on you rather than look at you .
Brilliant response…now go take your meds !!
You are the one that needs the meds and a padded room .
“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future.” – Adolf Hitler, 1935. A policy admired by the Democrats. The voters are the ones that decide on how much representation they want from each party. The Democrats, all Progressives, decided to see how far they could push centralized control by the federal government. They pushed it too far and are now living with the consequences. And there’s the Hillary year of blaming everything except reality, and the reality was that she ran on the (empirically) unpopular Obama administration program that had already lost the Democrats the House, the Senate and the States. It didn’t win them the Presidency, either.
Whenever a politician, or anyone else, starts talking about regulating guns, it’s a safe bet that someone will bring up how Hitler supposedly outlawed guns in Germany, which supposedly enabled him to do all the mischief he did. As we’ve noted before, Adolf is a staple reference among propagandists. It’s become an automatic response to compare anyone you don’t like to Der Fuhrer, on the grounds that since he was evil incarnate, everything he ever said or did must also be evil. People have even been known to suggest that since he was a vegetarian, vegetarians are evil. It’s not surprising, then, that you often see this quote pop up:
“This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” –Adolf Hitler, 1935
Trouble is, Hitler never made such a speech in 1935. Nor is there any record that he ever spoke these particular words at all. This little “speech” was obviously written for him, many years after his death, by someone who wanted you to believe that gun registration is Hitler-evil.
“alles”
I am not a supporter of the NRA, but I am a gun owner……a handgun owner, in fact. We do need strict control of who gets their hands on guns. There’s no other way for me to say it. Now, having said this, I believe the one sure way of controlling firearms in this country is to establish Federal firearms laws which would replace the state laws. Right now, gun control is not uniform from state to state, as it is in other countries. Instead, we have a hodgepodge of gun laws instead of uniform gun laws which cover the entire country.
Kenneth Jones you are an ass wipe we have federal laws every purchases is authorized by the feds
Shut your filthy mouth!! I meant that we need strict, even enforcement across the country……and I said nothing about purchases, did I? Did you read my last sentence? I don’t think you did.
State law can not bypass federal laws !!
I wasn’t talking about bypassing federal laws! I was talking about providing for equal enforcement of firearms laws all across the country, instead of the mishmash of laws that we have on the books now!
I fallowed what you was getting at but most states pretty much fallow what the federal Gov. provides in heavy populated areas. Now out west things are different than in most of the rest of the country .
Gangs
What a way to respond! You need to have your mom push a bar of Dial soap down to your tonsils. BTW, your English teacher would give your post a failing grade.
Omg thats almost funny!!
Kenneth.
this is NOT A FEDERAL MATTER, on the states gun laws, that’s A STATES RIGHTS ISSUE NOT GOVT.
and the STATES OR WE THE PEOPLE DIDN’T GIVE UP ANY RIGHTS TO BECOME PART OF A UNION OF STATES.
I’m a defender of states’ rights, but when it comes to a national tragedy like this one in Las Vegas, what are we to do? Answer that question, and then maybe……just maybe……we can at least go a long way towards solving the problem of gun control. We are going to have to do something about it sooner or later, whether we care to admit it or not.
Even though gun ownership is up 56% and gun deaths are down 49% since like 1990, please explain how this fits into your argument?
Democrat Gun owner !!
I believe I’ve already said it’s a matter even enforcement of gun laws across the country.
A significant problem to which the Democrat anti-gun fanatics are deliberately blind: The acts that we would like to prevent are often stopped by – guns. Those acts are committed by people who do not obey laws, so laws against those acts have not prevented them. Likewise, laws against possessing guns, laws against obtaining them and using them illegally, have an impact only on the law abiding – who are not the problem. Laws restricting their possession are ignored by lawbreakers and only make the profession of criminal safer for them.
I’m no Democrat, nor am I anti-gun. I’m a responsible law abiding gun owner.
Kenneth.
this is NOT a GUN CONTROL ISSUE.
it’s a NATIONAL SOUL ISSUE, our nation has LOST IT’S CONNECTION WITH GOD and we have turned into ANOTHER SODOM AND GOMORRAH NATION.
it’s all around us EVERYDAY.
what WE THE PEOPLE HAVE ALLOWED IS OUR SO CALLED LEADERS TO DO IS TURN THIS NATION AWAY FROM GOD AND BECOME A NATION OF LAW BREAKERS WITH THE LEADERS IN BOTH PARTIES, BY ALL THEIR POLITICALLY CORRECTNESS BEING THE LEAD LAW BREAKERS.
then we have the JUDICIARY WITH ALL THEIR UNCONSTITUTIONAL RULINGS, LETS TRY ROE VS WADE just as an EXAMPLE FOR STARTERS.
and i feel ONLY A SHOOTING PART OF THIS ONGOING REVOLUTION we find ourselves in WITH SO MUCH BLOOD LETTING TO COME WILL SOLVE IT.
and NO DAMN LAW WOULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS TRAGEDY.
our ENEMIES, BOTH DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN ARE BEHIND ALL OF THIS, NOTHING HAPPENS BY ACCIDENT.
Unfortunately, what you’ve said is very true.
yeah SADLY I KNOW, like our GREAT FORE FATHERS KNEW in their time.
but what really BOTHERS ME, is do WE THE PEOPLE of today have THE SAME FORTITUDE THEY HAD TO THROW OFF THEIR OPPRESSORS??
THAT’S THE 64 MILLION DOLLAR QUESTION OF TODAY.
You seem to be in the minority here so I don’t want to be too hard on you. I do want to mention that gun control will have little to no effect, though, as the many, many people posting here today have pointed out to you with valid, reasoned arguments.
We have become a very narcissistic nation with all the selfies and the grabs for fame with you tube and the viral videos. We have lost sight of our community and caring for others. As a nation we value fame over integrity and we have lost the concept of personal responsibility. If you can figure out a way to bring those back and re-introduce “old-world” manners you may have a shot at reducing the violence. There’s no shame anymore. If you make a bigger news splash than the last guy, you are famous and that seems to be the holy grail these days that everyone is trying to grab. It doesn’t matter if it’s famous for something good or famous for something bad. Fame itself is coveted. Somewhere in there is the answer to our social violence. Intolerance is at the highest point I’ve ever seen it in my lifetime and it has everyone on edge. It’s everywhere and you can’t escape the hatred emanating from people anymore. Not even on late night TV that used to be fairly light-hearted. I blame Stephen Colbert. He’s a real hater if I ever saw one. I change the channel every time I see his face.
Well spoken, and you raise some good points.
Fix our crooked government and stop the Globalization of the world and the NWO mess first then I bet a lot of this will stop.
There’s a way…..the Constitutional way….to at least partially effect change in our government; it’s called Article 5 of the Constitution of the United States of America. It allows us to amend the Constitution, and I think it bears reading thoroughly. There’s a nationwide movement…..a petition which I have signed…..to request a Convention of States…..to write an amendment which would return much of the power to the people, and it appears to be gaining strength at this writing.
Kenneth: I do not know what the solution is, however I do know that Disarming the American public is NOT the SOLUTION ! And that is what the Gun Grabbers are trying to do.
You will never have strict gun control because criminals always have and always will circumvent any gun controls. I don’t understand why some people do just not understand this. France has very strict gun controls and they have people doing mass shootings with assault weapons. Chicago and Baltimore have very strict gun control laws and have some of the worst gun crime in the country. So how, exactly, are these controls helping? They are making the problem worse since the victims cannot defend themselves.
It reminds me of the saying ” Daddy’s teach your daughter to shoot. A restraining order is just a piece of paper.” I don’t know who the author is but it definitely has a ring of truth.
The previous poster’s point was to make it federal precisely because making it local or statewide is ineffective when guns can be bought in a neighboring city or state. That’s why gun laws in Chicago & Baltimore are ineffective.
If you are a psychopath and it becomes your passionate goal in life to kill people, perhaps your reluctance to purchase guns illegally will discourage you, will stabilize you and turn you to more productive and less harmful pursuits. But I doubt it. If you assume that the law will prevent a black market in guns, let me refer you to the effectiveness of Prohibition or current drug laws. If there;s a demand, there will be a market. Restrictions will, however, make criminal activities safer for the criminals.
Being able to track down gun purchases could help law enforcement determine if a certain individual is worth keeping an eye on.
Really? They don’t even have the manpower to test rape kits for DNA analysis. How much money do you think it would take to keep track of everyone that bought a gun? And it still wouldn’t be effective because many criminals don’t buy them from legitimate sources so there would be no record. Why do you insist gun controls will work when they never have? Your logic stymies me.
It’s interesting to note that they discovered today that his unusual aggression may have been a result of medication he began taking in June. How would gun control solve that? There really are other underlying problems with these mass shootings and they have nothing to do with gun control. Pay attention to the facts and stop using gun control as your go-to solution if you really want to stop the problem. He began taking the anti anxiety drugs this summer. We have such a hateful culture now since the democrats cannot stand our president and they take every opportunity to sew dissension and anger. This may be what they reap and I don’t see it stopping any time soon. Many people cannot handle prolonged angst. This country was built on the principles of limited government, strong states rights and self reliance. I don’t know how we ended up with so many democrats.
So what would be your solution?
Ahaahahahahaa!!!!
People need to look at “The Rules of Radicalization” by Saul Alinski which Hillary idolized.
You reject even modest common sense proposals. There comes a point when after 1 side continually refuses to consider any solution to the crisis of mass shootings, the problem will continue to grow, & that side will have to take responsibility for it.
That’s incredible. You are so entrenched in your belief that gun controls will work that you refuse to acknowledge the facts people have been telling you repeatedly for days. Gun control is not a new concept. It has been around for ages. That’s one of the reasons the bill of rights includes a right to bear arms that shall not be infringed. Historically, gun control is used to control the masses. If you can’t defend yourself or overthrow the oppressive government, your freedoms will be gone.
So you talk about common sense proposals. I believe they are anything but common sense. is it common sense to propose to fix a problem with a solution that has been proven time and again not to work? How many different ways can we say it? Gun control will not affect the criminals at all.
So you put forth your “modest common sense proposals” as you call them so you can sleep at night thinking that you tried to solve the problem but the “unreasonable” people wouldn’t go along with it so it’s not your fault. Well, I’m here to tell you. It is your fault and everyone like you that refuses to actually analyze why these people want to kill everyone instead of just looking at the tool they use to do it. It’s a much harder question and one that has been passed over from one tragedy to the next in favor of the smoke and mirrors solution that gun control would be.
If you want to solve the problem, look at our system of mental health care. Look at our system of tearing down anyone who doesn’t agree with us. Look at the lack of manners and civility the new on line age has brought us. Look at the pharmacies that dispense mood altering drugs like candy. Look at something, anything that might actually have an effect. Gun control is not it so stop trying to present it as a solution. That only sits well with other people that want a simple solution rather than a real one.
To claim that gun control doesn’t work is absolutely absurd. Advanced nations that have strict gun control have tiny fractions of the homicide rate we have in the US.
I am all for looking at other factors like mental health, drug dispensation & a better tracking system. And I definitely agree that greater civility in our discourse is necessary. Propaganda that dispenses lies & rumors meant to rile people up, stir up hate & make people believe in weird conspiracies is a primary source of our division.
This is a complex problem & requires well-thought out solutions.
…the amendment made sense in the 18th century when both government and the citizenry were armed pretty much the same and only had horses for mobility on land. Yes the government had a slight edge with field cannons but those were not impossible to capture or very difficult to use. The founding fathers never foresaw the technological advancement we have today.
Today the government is far better equipped than the populace. Someone with a semi automatic assault rifle, even illegally modified to allow full automatic fire, is no match for say an A-10, Blackhawk, M1-A1, or Predator drone. Do think the guy next door with no military service can simply just jump into the seat of an AV-8B like Arnie did in “True Lies” or an F-18 like that old drunken crop duster did in “Independence Day” and fly it in combat against highly trained military pilots with hundreds to thousands of hours of combat service in the air? The A-10 was designed to be shot at by ground fire and still come home. Maanwhile, it’s autocannon can take down a medium sized structure and anyone in it in a matter of seconds.
This is just part of what gun toting “revolutionaries” will be up against today trying to overthrow or fight the government by force and In so doing, threaten, the lives of innocent people caught in the crossfire.
By this token then why shouldn’t all civilians have free access to heavier armaments such as grenades, RPGs, shoulder launched rockets/missiles, armoured APCs, high explosives, even surplus tanks so they’d have something of a fighting chance against well equipped, highly trained, and organised government forces. Unlike in other countries, such as Vietnam or Afghanistan, rebels would not have the advantage of “home turf” as the government knows the lay of the land here. They even play wargames right here on our own soil (Jade Helm in Texas back in 2015 or the current electronic warfare exercises on the Olympic Peninsula for example).
I don’t want an authoritarian or corrupt government either, but keeping an AR-15 or AK-47 in the closet with a case full of ammo isn’t going to change things or make me feel any safer should they go either 4th Reich, Neo-Bolshevik, or as appears to be happening, Oligarchic-Corporatist on us.
There are other ways to mount a revolution than brute force. They may take more effort more “brain power” than pulling a trigger does, but the results tend to be more positive and be longer lasting. The trick is, we have to get the self serving individuals who are working only for the wealthy and corporate interests that keep them in office (instead of the needs of the people who they are supposed to be there for), out. We need to reform campaign financing to remove big money’s influence on elections as which includes repealing Citizens United. We need to reform and streamline the electoral process so that every citizen of age has the right to and can vote and rigging/tampering eliminated. We also need to ensure that each and every vote matters, unlike the cumbersome antiquated system we have now which means an end to partisan gerrymandering, closed primaries, and either abolishing or reforming the Electoral college so that the college’s vote better mirrors the popular vote.
…but as I said it is going to take a lot of hard work which will never happen if we keep bickering amongst ourselves because a house divided is what those in power thrive on,
I agree with just about everything you said and most definitely about ending closed primaries. However, the electoral college is designed this way so the population centers of New York and California cannot dictate to all the other states who we will have for president. There are some less heavily populated areas but they are supplying the nation with food and other vital resources and all the states should have a say in who is elected. I don’t want to live in the United States of NY and California. Our values come from the heartland and it is the soul and conscience of the country. New York gives you the Kardashians, Paris Hilton and oppressive taxes. California gives you bankruptcy and oppressive taxes because they worship at the alter of poverty, illegal aliens and government intervention into peoples lives. They haven’t figured out yet that society thrives when people work and something for nothing doesn’t work when dealing with able bodied individuals.
As a side note, when people say they want to take our guns away, I tell them I want nuclear weapons so the playing field is equal with the government. I don’t actually mean it, but it gets my point across. I’d still rather have the guns and other weapons that I could use if it ever came down to needing to defend myself against the government. If Hillary had taken office, we probably would have been there sooner rather than later. Our democracy has already outlasted the normal life span of a democracy. The corruption and bureaucracy are killing our country more and more each day.
…as to the electoral college, so then why even have a popular vote if it’s “winner take all” as the EC is currently set up? Other nations have areas of high density and low density population yet select their top leaders by the popular vote.
Let say in a given state with 20 electoral votes the results of the popular vote is 48% – 51%. So, whoever gets the majority gets all 20 not 11 votes. So if I am in that 48%, then my vote is effectively rendered meaningless. Every other office from Senator down to school board is selected by direct popular vote and many of these other officials have a greater bearing on our lives, so why not the president as well? This is one of the main why many people don’t feel their vote counts at all.
One of the reasons the Electoral college was created for was to also prevent a big city despot from becoming the President. What have we got today? A big city despot in the oval office who lost by 3 million popular votes. So in effect, the EC has failed in one of its primary missions.
As to being able to defend yourself should the government go bad here are two videos of what an A-10 can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLMU9x1BNoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvg7qrIiDTM
Do you think owning an assault rifle or shotgun will save you from this kind of firepower because it’s just one weapon in their vast arsenal which they will
use.
You want to live in a Russia style of govt. You can’t win elections fairly here.because you are out numbered by millions in America. We liberals send you country fried hicks your FREE farm subsidies.
But wasn’t the shooter that attacked the Orlando, Florida night club on the FBI’s watch list? Fine job that did but wait wasn’t James Comey over the FBI and Robert Mueller there before him?
Obviously a better job needs to be done in keeping track of criminals & terrorists that are already on a list. So this part of law enforcement needs some work.
They are able to do that now & have been able for several years. But do they do it ? Only if it pertains to what ever they want to check on. They have now said the shooter in Vegas purchased guns in several different States. I don’t believe that story. I tried to purchase a rifle in North Dakota, while on vacation from California, & they would not sell it to me without ND identification. As far as I know All States require ID from that state, in order to purchase.
Enforcement is part of the problem. In many cases the laws & mechanisms for keeping track of gun purchases are already there, but they’re not enforced.
This guy didn’t have a criminal record, so his ID would’ve passed scrutiny, but his many gun purchases should’ve aroused suspicion had they been tracked & shared with law enforcement, & authorities probably could’ve at least kept an eye on him enough to catch him before he committed such a heinous act.
You are right, enforcement is a huge problem with our Government. There a many laws on the books that are not enforced. And from one administration to another they only enforce what ever they decide to. Illegal Immigration, for example. They have not enforced the laws that have been on the books for years. There are many others. I for one still do not believe this guy acted alone, & would bet this was a staged event by the Gun grabbing Nuts. We may never know the truth, just like the assignation of president Kennedy. That was NOT done by just One person either.
You’re deluding yourself if you think that’s why the gun laws are ineffective. In countries where guns laws are very tight like France, they still have trouble with criminals having guns. Criminals will always, always get what they want. Look at prisons. They can get drugs in there. Do you think those are legal? Do you think they have tight controls over what comes into prisons? Controls don’t matter. If they want something, they will get it. There are super tight controls over Uranium. However, you can still get it and that’s why N. Korea has it. Nobody wanted them to. Gun laws only affect law-abiding citizens that obey the laws. If you could pass a law to outlaw a behavior and stop it from happening, why don’t we just outlaw murder? Oops, we already did that and it’s not too effective. So my point is, gun control laws don’t work. They have never worked throughout history and they will never work. This fact seems to elude many people that advocate for gun control. If we put a poster on everyone’s lawn that was for gun control, which houses do you think the criminals would target? Why would you want to do that to society as a whole. We could have universal gun controls and we would still have Star Wars. Believe it, internalize it, and fight for the right to be able to defend yourself. I hope you never need to defend yourself, but if you do need to, you will be glad that you’re able to own a gun. That was the wisdom our founding fathers sought to impart to you when they said that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. That means no law should be passed to limit that right either at the Federal level or at the state level. I’ve tried to give you many examples. Why do you think this time gun controls would work when historically they never ever have? If you still don’t believe me, look at Francisco Machado’s point. I’ll repeat it here for you because it is concisely stated:
If you are a psychopath and it becomes your passionate goal in life to kill people, perhaps your reluctance to purchase guns illegally will discourage you, will stabilize you and turn you to more productive and less harmful pursuits. But I doubt it. If you assume that the law will prevent a black market in guns, let me refer you to the effectiveness of Prohibition or current drug laws. If there;s a demand, there will be a market. Restrictions will, however, make criminal activities safer for the criminals.
You’re making a case for there to be no laws at all. Are you really an anarchist?
I do note that countries that have strict gun regulations do have a small fraction of gun deaths & overall homicide rate compared to us.
A low homicidal rate or anarchy. I know which I choose.
You’re mistaken at the heart of your argument. Countries with strict gun regulations do not have a small fraction of gun deaths & overall homicide rates. They may have fewer than us but they are also smaller countries. France has very strict gun laws and they still have mass shootings. Sweden arms all of its citizens and teaches them to shoot and they have one of the lowest rates of gun crimes in the world. So I pick Sweden’s method where everyone has the ability to defend themselves and they have a low homicidal rate. Do we really need laws for everything that is just common sense? We need the big laws such as no murder or stealing. That’s more as a means to punish the offender than it is to stop the crime. The crimes still happen. I, for one, do not want to be defenseless against somebody intending to do me harm. How can you possibly believe gun control will have any effect when it’s been proven time and again that it doesn’t and more often than not it leads to a fascist regime. So which would you choose?
The ability to defend yourself or a fascist regime? ( I just threw that in there to show how ludicrous your choice was between a low homicidal rate and anarchy. It’s not one or the other in either set of choices.) The answer lies in making people more content so they don’t want to kill other people. That’s a tall order so people fall back on the easy step of gun control even though it’s been proven ineffective.
We do have the right to arm and defend ourselves according to the Constitution, but does it specifically mention that we have the right to use firearms, or some other weapons? I see nothing which specifies either method. The right to defend ourselves is guaranteed, nevertheless.
They have lower homicide RATES, meaning that for every 100,000 people in each country, much fewer people are killed in the countries with strict gun laws.
Sweden’s gun laws are stricter than in the US, but less strict than most European countries. Sweden, by the way, is a country that keeps trying out different ways until they get it right. If you look at their system overall, they may be the most successful nation in the world.
http://www.sweden.org.za/gun-laws-in-sweden.html
I don’t think it’s possible to radically change gun laws in the US with the gun culture that exists, but refining them similar to how Sweden has done might work well for us.
I don’t like Swedish society however.
What about Swedish society don’t you like?
They seem like mind- numbed robots when it comes to governance.
That describes the people governing OUR country.
Not in my opinion, well the alt-left Democrats perhaps 🙄
That describes the people governing OUR country.
Sorry, I misspoke. It’s Switzerland that requires everyone to be armed. They have extremely low crime because of it. See the article at
http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html
I’ve been told by history buffs that we aren’t speaking Japanese today because when they had decimated our pacific fleet, they didn’t advance on the West Coast because they were afraid there was an American behind every bush with a gun. We need the right to bear arms and the ones that holler for that right are responsible gun owners.
Oh, yes, I know about Switzerland. A very interesting policy. And they do have 1 of the lowest crime rates & murder rates in the world. They are a very independent & disciplined people.
Niknar you are good but we see the real world and it is only getting worse regardless of what you say. Who in their right mind with what is going on today would give up they protection? Only someone that believes in those that proclaim to protect us. If they are protecting us how was this man able to get his hands on so many guns? Why did the government not catch this man when he was buying all this weaponry and ammunition. This man had to have been buying all this stuff over the last few years not just all of a sudden or they should have been caught by the FBI way before now if the FBI was doing their job but it seems that the FBI has a habit of having people on their radar but nothing ever comes of it until they commit hanous crimes but then claim there wasn’t enough evidence to detain them. The only anarchy I see is coming from the left leaning criminals or the psychotics. The man that shot the Republican practicing ball for a game between Democrats and Republicans was a Bernie supporter and had been stalking the fields tha day before. Watching the Democrats practice then came back the next day. I believe he asked someone before he did his dastardly deed if that was the field the Republicans were practicing on. Then he went to his car and got his weapon and shot at thevRepublicans hitting one of them. Thank God he survived but someone one of the SS took him out. This guy in Los Vagas was also a liberal. The fired CBS Executive that was fired the day after the shooting said, “She had no sympathy for those people because… they were probably Republicans.” Seems tha Republicans are being targeted. How many of those people were actually Democrats? I know and have known a lot of Democrats that love country music. Were they just collateral damage? The Democrats are getting very dangerous with their hate filled rhetoric. It isn’t the Republicans that are rioting, damaging property and attacking the left. The rioters instigate it all then attack those that disagree with their views. They are paid lackies of George Soros, Hillary and Obama in their attempt to bring in Globalism and the NWO and you know the groups I am talking about. This mess is getting worse and no one is doing anything to stop it.
You are having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent
That may be part of the problem but those in higher positions are a major part. They tie the hands of those on the street doing the actual job.
That is true in many cases.
Stricter gun laws are needed but to enforce stuff like if kids get hold of parent/s or some other adult’s gun. Tighten the penalties.
Yes, at minimum we need ways to restrict children, the mentally disturbed, & known terrorists from acquiring guns, as well as a better way to track down gun ownership. It may take some ingenuity to do it in a way that doesn’t infringe on the popular interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.
How about going after those who openly threaten; ie the President and his followers. Each threat deserves interrogation and not to be taken lightly.
Just look at Europe since they became the EU where guns are limited to the higher ups for hunting only . They are having illegal gun problems .
It does. It isn’t guns who kill; it’s people…..the mentally deranged, the terrorist, the criminal, you name it.
I think you are right about the people that do this. But no one has the right to take/ban guns so people cannot protect themselvest. But the problem is you cannot stop people like this guy that killed these people in Las Vagas was not on anyone’s radar and therefore no one was looking at him. My question is why didn’t the watch dogs that handles and approves the sale of all thes guns see that the man was buying all these weapons and ammunition? Why aren’t all these gun sales combined into a national bank of gun sales so these types of sales can be monitored. So if it already is why did no one catch this?? But I know that even that would not help. There is gun smuggling going on in this country and I honestly believe that some of our higher up in our government are involved in it, Remember Eric Holder. Remember the Border Patrol Officer that was killed by one of the guns that was scheduled to be destroyed but found its, and others, way into Mexico by Eric Holder. They were making their way back into America across our open border. If that officer had not been killed by that criminal with that gun we would never have known what our government had done. At one point I would have said that it was Democrats but now we know that it is not just Democrats but also RinocRATs that work together to profit in several criminal activities. Until we fix our government we are all at risk. Do I think that something is not right with the Las Vagas shootings? Absolutely. Do I think it could have something to do with a gun grab scheme? Something just doesn’t fit right. Time will tell. I do think that I am not the only one that feels right. Do I think that Hillary jumped the gun with her public call for gun control? Yes! With in how many hours of the incidence 10 or 15 hours? She nor the Democrats had enough respect for the people that suffered in this incidence. She did as Obams did and jumped to their”gun grab” agenda. For God sakes have some compassion!
This is truly disheartening to say the least. I had wanted to go to Vegas & see shows, shop, explore, go out & go riding etc (i don’t gamble). There’s lots of fun stuff to do besides gambling. Now I’m terrified of going there.
You finally posted something, that made sense & is the truth.
Agreed. And sometimes estranged, who already had issues anyway. Like obsessiveness, control, or paranoia.
Barbbara: There are those who can read, see pictures, hear stories of what goes on in these Countries States, & Cities that have strict gun laws, but just cannot see that crime actually got worse in all of these places.
Yes. Psychos ignore restraining orders. Then they hurt or kill someone if they can get to their intended victim before police can be called, or will manipulate or try to intimidate the victim into not taking any action.
We have only one constitutional gun law and that is the 2nd amendment. Any other gun law is a violation of your and my constitutional right and “shall not be infringed”. Justice Story explained it many years aho when he said, “any law that contradicts the constitution is not a law and has no legal standing”. If you don’t like the constitution as written then petition your leaders for a constitution convention. In the meantime quite flappin your lips.
Charlie – do you know what a nominative absolute is?
Gene, FO not interested in your asinine nutcase opinions.
Which is why you do not understand the Second Amendment. BTW, I will not comment on your insults.
That’s your problem Skippy I do understand the 2nd. More importantly I understand nitwits like you and the danger you pose to the freedoms of true Americans. Babble on.
So the best you can do is make asinine insults. Tell me, how many years did you serve in the military, and what did you do in it? BTW, this country needs intelligent, educated conservatives, just like it needs intelligent, educated liberals. Otherwise we would be in a dictatorship.
48 years with the DON. 21 of it Active duty. How about you numbnuts.
You ask politely and I will respond. You retired as a PO, didn’t you? Rating?
My personal business is none of yours and has nothing to do with this discussion. I seriously doubt you ever served. I think you’re just one of those that like to degrade those that did.
Babble on.
Ah, it is germaine. Since you still can’t be polite, I won’t get into details, but I’m an army brat to begin with, had JROTC in high school, ROTC in college, served 27 years, and have a son honorably discharged from the NG. Like I said, I think you retired as a PO and have no idea what your rating might have been, but I have some ideas of what it was not.
Aww Skippy, don’t ya just wish you knew as much as you think you do. You’re entitled to think anything you want, but what ya know doesn’t seem to amount to squat. But feel free to babble on.
You have proven yourself to be the fool. FYI, I happen to know a great deal. You can’t even explain why you think I’m so ignorant. I have some time to kill, so I will respond to your comments. But like I said, a PO.
Don’t ya just wish Skippy. By the way did you manage to make sergeant in those 27 years ? Inquiring minds would like to know.
As stated, get polite and I will. But, still, I nail you as a PO – maybe. You care to refute that? BTW, your question reveals a great deal about your ignorance. Hint. Nobody in the 20th century served 27 years and only made sergeant – not in the US Army. Oh – are you ignorant, or just lazy?
There is a DoD policy called “up or out,” but he obviously knows nothing about it, or he’s trying to blow smoke up someone’s ass. I choose to believe that he knows nothing about it.
I tend to agree. I also note that he seems to have lowered his colors.
They usually do, when confronted with the evidence.
Aww, poor clueless delusional Gene. Just poking ya with the pointy stick for the fun of it. I may be a fool but you my friend are a tad slow and easily baited. Iv’e been dicking with you for two days now and you haven’t figured it out yet. Glad to hear that you did make sergeant though, must have been the highlight of your life. Babble on.
This discussion has been downgraded into an insult each other forum.
If he truly IS retired Navy, then he wouldn’t mind telling anyone what his rating was. But since he refuses to say anything about his rating, then it might be safe to say that he’s an impostor, and never served at all. It’s called stolen valor.
His words about gun control are ridiculous.
Yep. He apparently doesn’t know what a rating is or what rank a PO is.
Love the superiority attitude of you and Kenneth Jones there boys.
Do give some examples, girl.
Not superiority! FACT!
Thank you for your service.
Just what do you mean by educated conservatives & educated liberals ? Most of our elected officials have a college education, but don’t have a clue. Being educated by our schools & colleges today are not helping to raise people who do the right things in life. As a matter of fact, I believe most so called educated people are the ones who have the least common sense & are the most corrupt.
That often appears to be the case. Or ones from $$$ families.
Sorry for the late response. I’ve been busy. Your comment is nothing but your opinion. Substantiate what you post and I might have some agreement. As it is, you are presenting the simple fact that today many conservatives – especially those approaching being reactionary – seem to find education dangerous – witness climate change deniers for example.
Not all true Americans believe in carrying or using guns. And I’m a gun owner, but I keep mine under lock and key, and I enjoy shooting at paper targets in competition at our Sportsmen’s Pistol Range.
I share that belief.
Gene, have you ever heard the word “manners” or “if you can’t say anything good, then don’t say anything”. I have taught English but many over the last several decades are not taught English or how to identify parts of a sentence. Also, this is not the subject of this blog. Grow up and shut up!
Ouch, but good !!!
Wow!!!
Yup. Have you? This is supposed to be a “discussion.” That means different opinions. So, if you have taught English- do you know what a nominative absolute is? I have found that too many conservatives do not want to know what it does. Oh, I love how you end your comment on “manners.”
It’s not a discussion when one side tries to over ride the conversation and intimidate the others in the conversation to drive the conversation away from the topic at hand. Both sides are guilty.
You are one very confused dude! I said absolutely NOTHING about superseding the Constitution, and in fact, I defend our Constitution. No state gun law can contradict any federal gun law, but the opposite is true. That’s why I said what did about federal gun law superseding state gun law, and if you can’t understand that idea, then you’ve got a problem. The enforcement of gun laws in the various states is unevenly applied!
This is confusing…
Why ?
Kenneth, we are sick and tired of government (our elected/hired representers in Congress not representing us but their providers of bribes, and communism)
We must stop having so many laws that serve no one well and cost a fortune. Illegal guns are being brought into our country, others sold in special areas of cities, or stolen. Government is not my mother nor father and it is OUR problem to solve, not the Government and remember, we are the government and these clowns are supposed to do what we want.
It will be a cold day in hell when they represent the public as a whole .
Absolutely correct!
We could adopt the most strict gun laws in the country at the national level and still not change the results. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country and has one of the highest number of shootings and homicide counts in the country. Time after time we see where mass shooters complied with all of the laws and still kill people. Morality cannot be legislated.
We do not have a gun problem in this country; however, we do have a people problem. A big part of the problem is political divisiveness where both political parties dehumanize the other. Calling the other side evil, racist, bigots, hateful, uneducated, accusations of every kind of “ists” suffering from all types of “isms” that equate to “they are not human therefore anything that happens to them is justified.” Social media has also contributed this “dehumanization” process as well because we now communicate more through electronics than across the table from one another. Over the past few decades, we have seen a significant decline in two parent families and lost the concept of taking responsibility for their own actions.
All that said, it is heartening to see heroic responses in the line of fire in Las Vegas. This represents the best of America where no one cared about race, religion, or politics.
You don’t seem to get the picture. No kind of laws or strict control will ever stop someone from doing what their sick mind tells them they can attempt to do. No matter if it’s Booze, Sex, or Guns, there will always be a way to get what you want Illegally. And our Politicians are right at the front of the pack. The biggest problem in this entire World, is the fact that there are more & more people who do not believe in God, Jesus Christ, & the Bible !
ヾ(´(ｴ)｀ﾉﾞ I didnt know that!!!
I do not trust Federal Government to do much right. The states are the best to decide. NO MORE power should be given to Washington!!!!
Look at Article 5 of the Constitution. It gives us the right to call for a Convention of States to write an amendment to the Constitution. You might consider reading it.
I am a supported of COS to redistribute to the states the powers the federal government has taken from them.
… but has zero effect on illegal gunholders in any state.
This guy passed all background checks. MENTAL ILLNESS.
Also had lots of money so highly doubt full ,Mental Illness . We probably will never know what went wrong with him .
His father was on the FBI’s most wanted for 8 years. I think it’s in the genes.
Yes I saw that . If it was in his genes don’t you think it would have shown up earlier ? What ever caused him to do this will only be a guessing game unless they find a letter or journal .
I noticed that his father was in his 40s & 50s while on the Most Wanted list, although his career of crime started much earlier. But there clearly was something inside him that made him snap at this time. I hope they find out what the breaking point was.
GUN CONTROL IS NOTHING BUT SOCIALISM OR THE BEGINNING OF COMMUNISM’S START IN THIS COUNTRY! THE LEFT HAS PUSHED THIS SENCE WORLD WAR ll AND THE COMMUMIST COUNTRYS LOVE EVERY MINUTE OF THE TERMOIL THEY HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY OVER THIS CRAP!! GUNS DON’T KILL PEOPLE PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!! GUNS ARE INANIMATE OBJECTS TILL SOME LAME BRAIN ANIMATES THEM!!!! DAH!!
so tell me what socialism is- and stop shouting,
Here’s an interesting idea — not much, but at least something:
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/dave-ross-commentary/e/51685924?autoplay=true
Gun laws are not the answer. A sense of community and courtesy to your fellow man is closer to the answer. If you look at people over 70 they are so polite to each other and all of us. They respect people and don’t do things they know would put someone else out. Then each generation later it gradually gets worse until you end up with the twenty somethings (we can excuse teenagers and below because it’s our job to still teach them) that demand all sorts of special treatment, rarely hold a door open for anybody, don’t think twice about insulting or bullying someone, put their whole lives on the internet and seek “likes” as validation from anyone who sees them, and generally take self-centered-ness to a whole new level. I’m not sure how we got to this place but it is creating an angst in society where everyone feels victimized, nobody takes personal responsibility for their actions or themselves, and few people want to help anyone else except in times of extreme crisis.
We have taken to anonymously criticizing everybody we disagree with and attacking other political parties and elected officials with no thought of any retribution for our comments. Our personal interactions with other Americans have become toxic and it should be no surprise to anyone that once in a while people lash out in a major way to get the attention they want. Look how shocking Columbine was and it was all for attention because someone did not feel they were treated well enough.
Why do people think they deserve fame and popularity? Get your validation from your own inner self as a person who knows you’re doing the right thing for the right reason. It doesn’t matter if anyone else knows about it or gives you recognition for it. It should be your own satisfaction to know that you did well. If that viewpoint were pervasive, violence would decrease.
Also, this constant belittling by the media of our president has got to stop. It’s driving everyone apart and more of this type of violence will ensue if we can’t get back to our common ground. There are always two ways to present something. The media’s constant choice to cast a poor light on everything he does creates anger and animosity by everyone towards everyone else. It sets the whole nation on edge. And the “comedians” are fanning the flames of unrest. If you are one of the ones belittling someone else’s opinion instead of adhering to the adage “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all”, then you are exacerbating the problem. Find your common ground.
Barbara, well said. However, remember the DNC published n 1963 their Communist Manifesto to take over our country and Hillary’s loss was sthe last step or we would be in One World Government with no guns, little food, slavery, or just killed for any reason they could find. My spouse escaped after several years from communism, so he can fill you in what that means. I also worked/lived under socialism which is about 1/2″ down from communism and I do not want that either. Due to brainwashing in schools taken over by the feds about the same time circa 1963 and like a lobster starting slow and then increasing the heat until the lobster is dead without realizing. Then theychelped to get the ridiculous need to be removed asap Teacher Unions to further indoctrinate and why I stopped teaching and end result is “hate America, disdain for our country, profanity is good, lack of manners, so what are manners. Many call themselves parents but are only procreaters of children and don’t raise them to be responsible, hard working, polite, doing their OWN homework, giving them money for doing nothing, toys, electronic devices, cars, credit cards, etc. We need real parents who know how to raise and discipline and raise their children to be adults. You don’t buy dope, guns, cigarettes, etc. without money so the children are bought by money and not love and real care.
Are we going to outlaw large trucks and other vehicles, too? They obviously do mass murders. How about pressure cookers??
Would it make sense to outlaw everything that could kill, or just something that is designed to kill & is well-known to be the greatest cause of intentional deaths?
The courts are using cars as a deadly weapon in drunk driving accidents when someone is killed .
Yes, & it makes sense. Certainly cars can & often do kill, although in most cases accidentally, & killing is not what they’re designed to do. Our laws have dealt with the lethality of cars much better than they have with guns.
If you are on parole and get stopped searched ,found with a 2 inch knife it is considered a weapon .Parole is pulled and back to prison . TSA takes away your nail clippers as it is considered a weapon . Women would Knit on a plane and can no longer as the needle is a weapon . I was just pointing out what all today is considered a weapon . Idiots have taken our freedom away .
I know. Some of these things, like the ones you mention, are ridiculous!
They have. It’s disgusting.
Yes they have.
It’s called Vehicular Manslaughter.
If it is a pregnant Woman , you get a double whammy . You are right in the end it is called that .
But they shouldn’t be able to do that if it was an accident. Vast majority of those are. So a drunk driver is going to say “oh I’ll think I’ll go hit someone when I get out on the road” (as the drunk, who can’t see straight, starts falling over on the steering wheel.) If someone is hit & killed that should be long term prison sentence for the drunk. Very long term. But not accused as intentional murder.
I disagree with your statement about intentions since they intentionally went out to drink and planned to drive home knowing that they would be impaired. Where do they get absolved of personal responsibility that they didn’t intend to do it? But that’s a digression from the general topic so I’ll save it for another day.
Most guns are not used for mass murder, either. So saying that not many cars are used for mass murder seems irrelevant to the point that cars should be outlawed as a weapon if guns are to be outlawed. In either case, it isn’t the tool that’s used. It’s the perpetrator. There will always be a tool. I heard weaponized drones are coming after us next. They are now in the USA according to an article I read yesterday. Isn’t that something we can all look forward to…..as though there isn’t enough already.
Drunk drivers get their cars taken away anyway.
Not always.
Thank you. They are a troll.
IF one drinks and drives that can be “premeditated”
Wrongo Skippy. According to FBI stats fists and feet kill more than guns. Suicides account for 3/4 of all gun deaths. When you break down the raw numbers actual murder with a firearm is about 3000 a year and most of that is criminals killing other criminals.
Not sure about fists & feet killing more people than guns, but we can’t advocate for the amputation of hands & feet like they do in Saudi Arabia. Anyway, a suicide is an intentional death, so my statement stands.
In our town 2 died from sucker punch as the head hit concreate . Then there is suicide by Cop quite often .It’s a crazy world now days and seems to get worse every decade .
Look up FBI statics to see it is true. A little education on the subject might just change your mind on what you think you know.
Just did. According to these stats, homicide by firearms (#1 cause of death) outnumbered deaths by hands, fists, feet, etc. (#3) by about a 12:1 ratio. The ratio of firearms vs. sharp objects (knives, etc. = #2 cause of death) was about 5:1.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/expanded-homicide-data/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls
If I remember correctly there were app 33000 gun deaths. 22000 were suicide NOT homicide. Take out the gang bangers killing each other and there were few true homicides.
Yes, about 12,000 homicides per year, around 8500 of which were by firearms, & 700 by “personal weapons” (hands, fists, feet…), according to these stats. I don’t know why you’d dismiss gang deaths as not true homicides. Not all of them are other gang members, but many are innocent bystanders.
Liberals count Suicides as “homicides”.
Yes. Don’t know about fists & feets either except maybe in movies (Bruce Lee etc.) (￣(エ)￣). Suicides do account for many U.S. deaths but many are accidental (drug OD’s typically). Suicide caused by guns are intentional for sure!!
Those that are bent on suicide will succeed, The gun is just the most expedient and permanent method used by serious people. Not far from where I live there is a bridge over a canyon with about a 700 Ft. drop people jump off it regularly. Some come from other states to make the big leap. It is impossible to keep serious people from committing suicide.
Many who want to commit suicide use drugs because they consider it relatively painless. At least there’s a chance of reviving that person when they choose this method of suicide. In fact I had a hand in getting someone who had tried this way to kill herself to the hospital in time to save her life.
Guns are a man thing. Drugs and wrist slashing are a women thing. Have you heard this one “Twice as many women than men attempt suicide, twice as many men succeed”. I personally don’t have a problem with it.
“Not sure about fists & feet killing more people than guns…”
My feet are killing me now, because I have been on them all day. I guess they should be outlawed.
I would like to outlaw the pain in my feet as well haha
Good one! (Mine are, too).
That shows feet do kill.
A commentator said Liberals count Suicides as murders.
Ever heard of MMA and numchux?
No, neither. What are they?
Let me ask you this, what about chemical warfare, they can kill 10’s of thousand’s of people what kind of laws are you going to come up with them doing that oh thats right first of all it is against the law to kill anyone and laws that state they are not supposed to be used, but I bet that if these criminals choose to use them a million laws against it will not stop it. even if you do it piece at a time like outlawing one of the ingredients. and on and on. its getting redundant. I wish there was a way to stop them. So I don’t have to keep hearing these idiot harping more gun controll cause i have a good time with my firearms not a one of them ever killed anyone.
I’m glad you never killed anyone.
This is a dangerous world. There are a lot of dangerous people with various dangerous weapons. As much as we can we should try to make it safer within reason. It’s a challenge but I’m not going to stop trying. We do need to be vigilant in any case.
are you a gun owner?
Majority in Chicago!
It’s the use to which an object is put that makes it a deadly weapon, be it a car or an axe or a rock. Laws against using any object as a deadly weapon make sense – I doubt anyone will propose taking those off the books. Cars and rocks and guns and axes are legal. Running over someone deliberately or bashing in their skull is not legal. As far as “the greatest cause of intentional deaths” I suggest you read a few articles about abortion or, perhaps, about Kim Jong Un and his hydrogen bomb test.
I agree w/that.
You are hateful.
It’s also legal to spout “assassinate the President, and his followers”. Ask Hollywood and their loyalists, and certain members of Congress. (The recent mass murders in Vegas come to mind).
Doesn’t it make more since to outlaw that kind of behavior? wait, that kind of behavior
is already against the law.Laws do not prevent crime, they allow crime to be punished.
If the death penalty did not stop this latest crime, then what penalties would keep perps
from obtaining their tools. You are focused on their tools, and not their actions. Why would
your law work,when the laws in place didn’t. Just asking.
The behavior has to be detected first. Sometimes it is but tragic events still happen because nobody does any thing to stop it beforehand. Sometimes the behavior isn’t detected as in this tragic recent mass Vegas shooting. And it may never be before something happens. This shooter was apparently, from what I read online, a narcissistic psychopath, intelligent, normal acting (no deviousness) but except of course was a major jerk who apparently cared only about himself.
Someone had to notice that a habitual gambler as they say Paddock was, was not at a gambling table! Not is a casino, like usual. There are missing pieces to the puzzle and no one is saying.
If guns have to be registered and background checks are done, why didn’t Law Enforcement pick up on it? I guess he was rich–that explains it.
I agree that it is important to enforce those laws already on the books before making new ones. In the case of Paddock, it appears he acquired his weapons legally, so something else needs to be done to deter what he did. In his case it looks like keeping track of his gun purchases & sharing it with law enforcement could’ve put authorities on notice that this is someone to keep an eye on, so that is 1 tool I’d recommend to prevent this kind of thing from happening. But also if his acquisition of these quick-firing deadly weapons was legal, then maybe some of them shouldn’t be legal, especially those semi-automatic weapons that can easily be modified into fully automatic weapons. At least not so many people would’ve perished in such a tragedy.
The first semi-automatic rifle was made in a machine
shop in a prison. If you outlaw guns, what about a
good machinist with a good lathe, and shop??? That
is, if you succeed in confiscating all guns privately
owned, some guy will make them in secret. The
remedy is not to disarm honest, law abiding people,
but to come up with a remedy that attacks the perps,
not their victims. I can’t come up with a plan that will
be practical.
Until Bill Clinton got WH, no Guns had to be registered. That tells millions have guns.
You make a good point, but at least they’d have to work at it, & there’s always a chance they’d get caught.
Well there is always a chance that every mass murderer in the world would get caught before he pulled off the crime and a lot of them have but a few don’t! You can’t catch all of them! But you can stop them from ever doing it again! DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!!! NO EXCEPTIONS and no waiting or APPEALING it!!!!!!!
Yep! Remember David “Carbine” Williams?
Ban democrats!
Tempting! But I prefer to beat them at the voting booth! Their
whining is music to my ears!
I have same thoughts about that. Full automatic weapons are illegal but semiautomatic ones aren’t. Don’t know if bump stocks are legal or not; I think not. But if those are legal something should be done to change it.
POTUS Obama legalized the “bump stock” for the ATF while making automatic guns illegal. Obama did that with his party now not one Democrat claims they know about it! The rest of USA knows. If The People know better than Politicians the US Constitution is correct when it says “For the People, by the People”! Why have 500+ such dumb people tell all the rest of us what to do when we know better than they do?
Obama made them legal.
Obama admin. let them be sold legally Mustanglovely!
Someone knew Paddock was dangerous–they are simply lying about it. He was buying guns like crazy and unusual equipment, someone had to notice something. He probably even bragged about his plans. They know more than they are saying.
Maybe someone somewhere, but no evidence of it made public so far. He’s been described as “quiet”, keeping to himself. If he’s buying all these arms, but nobody knows about it, then nobody will warn about it. I do think there should be a data base about gun purchases that is shared with law enforcement so that the authorities can keep tabs on someone who accumulates lots of lethal weapons, especially ones that can be easily converted into automatic weapons.
would you explain to me how to easily turn these semi auto’s into full auto, because I have had them for years and they are designed by the manufacturer so they can’t be easily converted, the bump stock does not turn it into a full auto it still only fires one round per pull of trigger, you people should not be giving advice on something you have no clue on you are just repeating stuff the stupid lib politicians are spouting
According to all reports, Paddock used bump stocks to convert semi-automatic weapons into virtual fully automated weapons. I could send you to sites explaining how it was done, but I’d rather not.
I Don’t need those sites they’re easy enough to find on the web, I’ve seen bump stocks in action and they are a little faster but not 650 rds per/min like a real M16.plus the ones I saw were not that reliable, can’t believe everything you see on UTUBE.
BUT THEN AGAIN IT IS AGAINST THE LAW TO KILL !! LAWS ONLY TAKE AWAY FROM HONEST CITIZENS, CRIMINALS DON’T CARE,WHY CAN’T YOU GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THINK SCULLS, THEY WILL KILL IF THEY WANT, NO LAW WILL STOP THEM, ONLY A HONEST CITIZEN WITH A WEAPON WILL OR A POLICEMAN WHO EVER IS FIRST, SHOW ME PROOF ANYWHERE WHERE A GUN LAW STOP A CRIMINAL FROM KILLING PEOPLE, AND I CAN SEND YOU TO SITES EXPLAINING THAT TO YOU TOO, BUT I’D RATHER NOT. SINCED YOU SEEM TO HAVE SUCH A HIGH IQ YOU WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND IT ANYHOW
As long as these things are accessible, it will be a problem, because as you say, criminals will try to get a hold of lethal weapons no matter what the law is. However, Paddock seemed to have followed the law up to the time of his mass murder. Therefore law enforcement wasn’t alerted to what he was doing as they might’ve been if laws were broken. Had gun purchases been shared to law enforcement, they might’ve at least kept an eye on him.
the price of freedom, if you don’t like it, there are plenty of gun free countries you can go to,but they have there share of shootings to, I would rather stay armed and take my chances here in good old GOD Bless AMERICA. maybe NK might let you move there.
Not the same thing at all!
The bump stock set ups also jam often.
That is likely why he came with so many, get one jammed, toss it and grab another.
I agree!! Someone knew what he was up to !! Very careful planning went into this killing spree!!
And I’d like to know just exactly how he got that arsenal of his into the hotel without anyone knowing about it! In a service truck? A laundry truck?
spoken like a true libitard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What other penetrating insights do you have to contribute on the matter?
Do you really believe that killer will follow the law? Anything can be used as a weapon – the only difference is who is holding that thing. Bad people are the killers – not the guns
Paddock followed the law up until the mass shooting, which is why he remained under the radar.
With guns it is too easy to kill, even accidentally. And target has virtually no chance to defend self, while strength, agility or wits may help against other potential weapons.
Paddock followed the law up until the mass shooting, which is why he remained under the radar.
With guns it is too easy to kill, even accidentally. And target has virtually no chance to defend self, while strength, agility or wits may help against other potential weapons.
And he was the usual, democrat mass shooter!
Ban democrats, keep the guns!
Do you really believe that killer will follow the law? Anything can be used as a weapon – the only difference is who is holding that thing. Bad people are the killers – not the guns
The guy had Twenty three guns he didn’t need a automatic weapon to kill a bunch of people, And the things that were legal about his guns that made them like an Automatic were passed in by OBAMA’S Administration so stick that in your crack pipe and smoke it! Trump had nothing to due with it!
Even more simple fix:
Ban all democrats, (Commiecrats), from ever owning a gun!
At least a 90 percent reduction in mass shootings!
You are not putting any serious thought into finding solutions, but rather are simply going with your emotions, which solve nothing.
Nope!
Not emotional at all!
Dont blame the club or even the knife!
Its the people, stupid!
Disposing of the tool does absolutely nothing either!
Hasnt since man learned how to just make another!
But its sure tempting to lock up all democrats/Commiecrats and watch it come to a screeching halt!
Considering how many crazy people there are regardless of political party, something should be done to prevent them from getting a hold of guns.
Funny that you are still alive, if ONLY daddy had had a bucket of water handy when you popped your slimy head out of mommies pussy
The Politicians chirp that “mentally ill”people can not have guns then 360 turn: The mentally ill have rights to be out on street like anyone else. Ask Jimmy Carter who closed all the mental Health facilities and now many mentally ill are in prison or homeless.
Why not outlaw sticks, stones, falling trees, and rocks?
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They’re not designed to kill. They’re not even man-made.
Don’t forget heart attacks.
We already outlawed drugs but nobody is paying attention. I think they are more likely the greatest cause of intentional deaths except maybe in Chicago and Baltimore. There it could also potentially be drug wars but they have the added elements of black anger and guns. But since they already have very strong gun control and theoretically very strong drug controls, what’s left to regulate? These people using guns to kill did not belong to the NRA, they did not have concealed carry permits, and they were democrats or Muslims. So why the anger against the NRA and republicans?
It’s coming to light now that drugs for anti-anxiety may be at the root of this recent mass shooting. So, tell me again, why do you think gun controls will work when they never have and never will? It’s like you refuse to believe the obvious despite all the evidence. Why is that?
You can’t label all democrats as using guns to kill. Most dont. Criminals from the start, dont vote anyway so they can’t belong to either party. Unfortunately (depending upon certain circumstances like race riots) they’ll tout democrat alliance. Which stinks for the rest of us.
I agree with you. I have many friends and acquaintances that are democrats and the only thing “wrong” (LOL) with them is that we have different ideas of how much the government should be involved in our lives. I was pointing out that the mass shooters were democrats or Muslims solely for the point of stating that there is no reason to hate republicans and the NRA for it. I apologize to all the law abiding democrats out there who would never dream of killing anyone. My apology obviously does not extend to people like Madonna who stated she wanted Trump killed or to Nancy Sinatra who just tweeted today that she wants all members of the NRA put before a firing squad. Republicans have their crazy people, too, so I would never think all democrats want us dead. But we are keeping our guns just in case.
We dont. I dont know how democrats managed to get such a bad reputation. I really dont. Its crazy. As far as i can see though, everything is just about.
Your guns are as good as gone, Lurline.
‘Designed to kill’ everyone but those who can afford body guards. Only ‘they’ are entitled to carry.
Actually, niknar, the most deaths in modern time are from bombs of various types – H-E, Incendiary, and (way down the line) nuclear. So perhaps laws against firecrackers and propane tanks should be first on the list (chuckling quietly) – oh, and the human hand, wielded by someone who knows, can kill quickly and silently. Shall we amputate all hands, then?
The anti–gun crowd is made up of misleading beguilers and fools who’ve never thought it out logically. The Bad guy, Hell-bent on killing will kill – laws or no laws. The laws make it safer for him, because the victims are ill prepared to resist – and they won’t break the law to have a gun. The “Founders” implied that every citizen should be armed – and the “State” “Shall not infringe” on that. Where on earth did we get all these irrational “gun-haters” anyway?
BTW, ALL gun laws are unconstitutional, and should be eliminated. I should be allowed to tow a 105mm Howitzer behind my truck, should I have the whim. In truth, the second amendment’s purpose was to imply that I just might have one in my barn, aimed down my drive, to repel insurgents from wherever. Meanwhile, the “beguilers” are sweeping up more fools with each (false-flag) shooting spree – with the intent to disarm us all, as we ARE an impediment to their desire to become a police state. [Reread, for impact, as it is several mouthfuls.] May God bless our country (and don’cha have a spare asteroid out there to aim at our misbegotten “leadership)?”
You have a very broad interpretation of our 2nd Amendment.
There are considerations in our Constitution for public safety.
To paraphrase, ” Those who put safety&security over freedom, deserve neither”.
Spoken like a true libertarian. Or anarchist
There are consequences when someone yells “Fire” in a theatre & causes panic when there is no fire. And of course, we have laws to discourage people from harming others. Where 1 person’s freedom impinges on another’s freedom and/or safety, we try to find a way to alleviate that infringement. We need to take steps to ensure public safety, with minimal curtailment of individual rights, but a balance is necessary.
I thought the so-called “Patriot Act” went a little too far in curtailing individual freedom while giving the state too much power. But letting people do whatever they want with no penalty is a recipe for anarchy.
Because when someone loses family members esp kids, to mass shootings, they become understandably infuriated & want guns outlawed.
I’m close to your point, Bill, but I am more critical of the anti-gun crowds’
motives. I think that Occams’ razor will explain that they want to rid the
USA of private gun ownership. A rational person, IMHO, will come to
the conclusion that gun laws would work about as good as our drug laws
do, and we can all see how good they are working. Opioid addiction is
killing more and more people, and it is unlawful to use them the way they
are used. But people sell them and use them anyway.
Bombs in that case. But then other (nefarious) nations with bombs can attack us more easily.
Yup
They want to bring back Mountain Lions and Wolves. They deliberately kill.
At least it’s for survival. Same for growling gators — all 13 of them! 🙂
You left out propane cylinders. There goes this weekends BBQ.
Propane cylinders!!!!!?!!!(^.^)
Ah, now you’re expecting the snowflakes to “think”. Rationalization doesn’t play into how they operate.
Good Lord please!!
Please! who?
Don’t forget tall ladders.
Lol
HOW ABOUT CELL PHONES IN CARS TEXTING WHILE DRIVING !!! VIETNAM VET
NAM
Cell phones is a bad one. From all i see around here where i live drivers are constantly on their cell phones & they cause problems. Don’t pay attention to where they’re going, almost hit pedestrians legally crossing streets, stall at green lights holding back cars behind them, almost hitting cars legally making turns, etc.
Driving 20 mi./hr in heavy traffic and on Expressways! Those are the Hillary voters.
Hell!! I believe your right!! lololol
You’re is not a difficult concept. You’re (see how easy?) a rather stupid woman, Joan.
Go scratch yourself!!
DITTO!
There are laws against texting while driving. The fines are pretty high, & I think after the 3rd infraction you get imprisoned.
My gun is used to shoot clay pigeons, targets, etc. But my gun can protect my home and family if need be! Why don’t gun control advocates just advertise they are against guns so madmen know the next spot to use their gun! I dare any of them to put up a sign saying “This is a gun free zone.” I am a woman who would not think twice about protecting my own!
There are a lot more women with carry permits than the Public realizes and I see nothing wrong with it . Most loud mouths have walls and high fences with electric gates or body guards .
I’d have wolves, lol!!And I’m very quiet. Wolves are too!!!
Do you howl at the full moon also ???
Why, I surely do howl esp when its really full, like now!!!Mwahahahah! And practicing for Halloween, lol!
I love that sound .
I bet you howl at the moon and eat sh*t!!
You are a foul pig, and your hysterectomy has turned you into the tell-tale half-man creature.
Moron. You sound like the Sh*t eater to me.
Oh! Dear was it something I said?? Poor baby see you are howling!!!My,my,my
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I see the Zoo Keeper left the cage open again and you escaped .
Yah but still in Office!!! Damn Russians !!(Hillary and Obama friends) Eat your heart out as this magazine is a rag and going down the tube. I wonder why? The REAL LIARS are the left and all the media and everybody knows it. Take time and do your research! If you can read.
Examples please.
We had a liar in chief for eight years, dumb ass!
Really? What rock were you living under??
Moron. Are you going to claim Obama wasn’t the biggest liar we have ever had in the WH?
You really are stupid. Get your head out of Obama’s butt and look around
What a bunch of hooie. Trump has a lot of statements that the media called lies that later came true. It’s time the media started holding their reports until it is proven.
>>>>> Trump has a lot of statements that the media called lies that later came true.
Name one !!
Trump is well over a 1000 confirmed lies !
Bull Name ten if it’s well over a 1,000. That’s one for every one hundred. Bet ya can’t do it and you better have reliable facts to prove it!
Last count as of yesterday was over 1300 !!
Do you need me to google it for you !!!
Oh, yeah, google i trust worthy.
Trustworthy is one word, stupid…and I’ll bet the other word you somehow botches is ‘is’.
Actually, stupid, trustworthy and trust worthy have differing specific meanings based on similar concept. Individual vs group, personal specific vs generalized.
TROLL!
Yeah…sure…just like “Googeing”.
You can google Infowars and Brietbart where’s the problem !!
Oh…I’m sorry…you work off the Russian underground sites !!
WND.com the God loving Christian site of Facts…yupper !!
Who do you work for The Clintons!!!!! Clown!!
Truth hurts HEY !!
You wouldn’t know the damn truth if it bit you in the backside!!! Better yet if it slammed you in the damn face idiot!!
Have you anger…management !!
Have you???
It seems you are suffering from the typical liberal diseases, primarily one of cognitive perception disorder. Don’t worry, it’s actually quite common among liberals, sheeple that believe “progressive” actually means progress instead of the regression model it preaches, fools that refuse to acknowledge Karl Marx laid out socialism as a precursuary step toward communism.
Your case is not as bad as some, although it can get to the point were you will blame inanimate objects for human actions, even to the point of complete mathematical breakdown where 2+2 cannot equal 4 in your mind.
The only cure is heavy doses of reality, which is quite often rejected at first and may even cause emotional trauma as the liberal bubble bursts.
CAUTION: Utopian ideals are dangerous and can only exacerbate your disease!
That post clearly shows you need more then anger management help !!
In what way?
I calmly explain a portion of the mental illness you suffer from and you claim I have not only anger issues, but others as well?
Like I said, cognitive perception disorder, and your last pot is a prime example.
Maybe you should call your psychiatrist andhe can change your medication.
When was the last time you pass a physical examination !??
Typical liberal, attempting to change focus by deflection.
My physical health is just fine, in fact, I am in better health than the majority of men half my age. Thank you for asking.
And in case you are wondering, my mental health is just fine as well. I don’ suffer from any phobias, or cognitive issues, such as you.
>>> I don’ suffer from any phobias, or cognitive issues, such as you.
What makes you think that you old fart…you’re a psychiatrist are you !!!??
>>>>>>Typical liberal, attempting to change focus by deflection.
Nope…I just ignore your bullshit !!
I’m just trying to draw you out to fully expose your delusions !!
By fully exposing your delusions?
Nice try, not very innovative, but what can we expect from pasty little liberals?
You boy put on one of his best acts as Liar and Chief today !!
You should be so proud !!
Another TROLL.
Try googeing something specific, google will do one of two things.
Give you a list if sites of their choice that carry content of their liking.
OR
Lead you on a wild goose chase with stupid, semirelated topics.
Take for instance; “who owns the business licenses for NBC Universal”. All that comes up is anti Trump fake news sites.
They do this so people can’t see that President Trump does have the ability to shut down their fake news. Not by pulling a broadcast license, which they don’t have, but by hitting their business licenses.
Googeing is not a word, stupid.
This is where you either make a note of your mistake…or respond with some face-saving nonsense as to how “Googeing” has some purposeful meaning.
Sure…dream on…go read your Russian troll sites…
The pres has powers…thats not one of them.
Amazing here is how you envy him to violate the constitution !!
What violation of the constitution?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The First Amendment is the second most regulated amendment of the Bill of Rights.
As far as the “freedom of the press”, have you never heard of slander and libel?
“News agencies, from minor to major have been sued successfully time and time again for violating these laws, laws enacted at both state and federal levels. Punishment for these crimes have ranged from monetary fines, censure, imprisonment, and loss of licences, even combinations of them.
NBC could be charged with any number of crimes from sedition to treason for intentionally broadcasting known falsehoods that put the United States of America at elevated risk, both militarily and financially.
To claim the press is untouchable is also a false claim. If it is illegal for an individual to yell “bomb” on an airplane, it is just as illegal for the press to report ‘bombs” when there is none, especially when it is done in not only with malice but intended to impune and cause damage the office of the President.
NBC could be charged with any number of crimes from sedition to treason for intentionally broadcasting known falsehoods that put the United States of America at elevated risk, both militarily and financially.
broadcasting known falsehoods
Did you notice you didn’t post any here ??!!!
Like ??
treason….For what ???
.lmao…
Because it is common knowledge.
Their statement that President Trump has ordered the “ten fold” increase in our nuclear weapons arsenal.
Now, if you cannot figure out the crime, or ramifications from the rest of the world, then you should go back down the liberal rabbit hole you crawled out of.
Really…fact is he said it…as it was told to the media by a tRump admin insider.
So tell us all why charges haven’t been filled !!
Which Trump insider?
Name the source!
It is fake news, just like the President’s “collusion” with Russia, which EVERY investigation has concluded.
Charges have not been filed yet because the DOJ is still having legal issues with obamanation leftovers. Why haven’t there been charges filed against lynch? Cliton, bloomberg, reid, poo-loosely? It’s called POLITICS! You know, big brother keeping it’s most evil safe.
Again, name the source! Prove it was said! You liberal fools think nbc really has the best interest of the citizens of this nation in mind. That’s why you are called sheeple.
So give us the name of the individual, specific name, none of this “Whitehouse staffer”, or BS like that. NAME!
>>>> It is fake news, just like the President’s “collusion” with Russia, which EVERY investigation has concluded.
There has to date been no conclusion of any investigation.!!
Mueller has by no means released information more or less concluded his investigations !!
Little Donnie meeting with Russians in Trump Tower is being investigated and sorry if Mueller doesn’t meet with your idea of expediency !!
>>>>Charges have not been filed yet because the DOJ is still having legal issues with obamanation leftovers.
Like what…more bullshit !!
The candidate Donald Trump met with Russians that the businessman Donald Trump had dealings with, in part to settle business in preparation for a possible victory in the election. This has been proven both by statements from parties involved AND as a result of two separate investigations, including an indepth and thorough FBI investigation. Mueller’s investigation, costing U.S. taxpayers millions, has not released any findings of a solid nature BECAUSE they hhave not found anything different than the previous investigations which have been conducted and concluded.
Expedient? Mueller, a cliton AND dnc donor is sucking up taxpayer money for sitting on his ass, and would prefer this “investigation” take 20 years. His rhetoric about “finding the truth” is bullsh!t, just like everything else leftists spout.
And you still have not given up the name of the source for the nbc LIE. Tillerson and Mattis, who were present during the supposed incident, both deny emphatically that it happened.
So, who’s the source?
>>>>>>>> Tillerson and Mattis, who were present during the supposed incident, both deny emphatically that it happened.
No they didn’t…thats your lie !
>>>>>>This has been proven both by statements from parties involved AND as a result of two separate investigations, including an indepth and thorough FBI investigation.
Which investigations ???
Gee, so direct quotes from both of those gentlemen to the press mean nothing to you? Tillerson did call the President a fool, nut denied the “tenfold” statement. Mattis not only denied the statement, but had multiple choice words to say about the press for even inventing such a lie.
James Comey, the guy that was fired by the President, as director of the FBI. Before his terminationfor unrelated issues, concluded the investigation and declared that there was no collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. If you don’t remember seeing that covered by all the media, and the ensuing outrage by politicians on the left,and their demands for “special council”, then you are stupider than I thought. Do you think Mueller just jumped up and volunteered out of tblue?
>>>>>Tillerson did call the President a fool, nut denied the “tenfold” statement.
Tillerson called him a “Fucking Moron”…and has to date never denied that he did !!
If you can provide a video…that would be great.!!
>>>>>including an indepth and thorough FBI investigation.
FBI has never finished their investigation…neither has Mueller.
>>>>James Comey, the guy that was fired by the President, as director of the FBI.
tRump fired Comey to stop the Russian investigation…only it hasn’t…and will probably be why tRump resigns in the future !!
Whats amazing is…all tRump associates were asked if they had contact/s with any Russians at any time.
All said no…only to be found to be lying !!
Manafort & Flynn …those are…well you tell me how in love you are !!
Wow, could you be more wrong?
Comey DID publicly state that the investigation into the Trump campaign’s possible collusion with russia or any russians in particular, to effect the outcome of the election was concluded and no connections were found.
It was then that the dnc and top dems demanded a “special prosecutor”, and hired Mueller. Mueller inturn sought out clinton and obama pals to conduct a witch hunt. And all they have done is suck up taxpayer money, living high on the hog and spinning their wheels with absolutely NOTHING to show for it. Unless they fabricate something, they never will find anything. If they had something they would have released, by “unknamed sources that are not authorized to speak” to the lliberal media.
Your delusions are showing.
>>>>>Comey DID publicly state that the investigation into the Trump campaign’s possible collusion with russia or any russians in particular, to effect the outcome of the election was concluded and no connections were found.
Really…you have video links or some other evidence to that effect do you !!??
>>>>>And all they have done is suck up taxpayer money, living high on the hog and spinning their wheels with absolutely NOTHING to show for it.
Thought we were talking Russians & Trump not….Hillary & Benghazi !!
You’re a laugh a minute !!!
You are not only a moron, but you have got to have the selective memory of a goldfish. Even your beloved cnn and msnbc released video of James Comey in front of the senate stating just that.
Again, I’m done with you, troll, go back to your safe space.
Thar’s what I thought…you don’t have any links to a video because it doesn’t exist !!
JFYI…The FBI never tells anybody the status of investigations…period !!
So for you to say the investigation has concluded without findings is BULLSHIT !!
Here…watch this 5 hour video and learned what you should have learned !!
https://youtu.be/fwkw_b2-K80
Ha haa haa ha haa ha, it was just a few short weeks later that comey repeared in front of the same committee, and publicly stated there was no link/connection to the Trump campaign.
You f – -n moron, just like all liberal twits, take only what you want to hear and either ignore or call the rest lies. The FBI quite often disposes the information that cases are concluded or closed, especially in high profile ones.
You are a moron, now watch me delete you!
Where is the link you liar !!
>>>>You are a moron, now watch me delete you!
I’m watching…!!!
Just as predicted…nothing !!
These morons on the left only have “anonymous” sources which is to say no sources.
True, unfortunately it is seen across the board, though.
Without violating the First Amendment, a law needs to be passed stating that if an anonymous source is quoted, the story must be qualified -in the headline- as either FICTION or strictly opinion.
Deplorable wizard>>> Take for instance; “who owns the business licenses for NBC Universal”. All that comes up is anti Trump fake news sites.
Doesn’t appear you are telling the truth !!
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Deplorable wizard>>> Take for instance; “who owns the business licenses for NBC Universal”. All that comes up is anti Trump fake news sites.
Doesn’t appear you are telling the truth !!
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First ten days as requested….
JAN. 21 “I wasn’t a fan of Iraq. I didn’t want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)
JAN. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)
JAN. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There’s no evidence of illegal voting.)
JAN. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama’s 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)
JAN. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.)
JAN. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren’t insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)
JAN. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can’t have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)
JAN. 26 “We’ve taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn’t vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don’t know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can’t.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.)
JAN. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn’t like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane’s going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.)
JAN. 28 “The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.)
JAN. 29 “The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote.” (There is no support for this.)
JAN. 30 “Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.)
You want Feb as well…it gets better as we go along month by month !!
How about yesterdays…
tRump: I met with the President of the Virgin Islands !!
Not sure how to catalog that one !!
Then there are the 1000’s of Teleprompter Flubs !!
6 yesterday alone.
“risking children’s furniture”
Heres an absolute…he’s making GWB look like an Einstein !
Illegals voting in kalifornia.
He had nothing the russians (interference) in the election.
The TPP was wrong for the United States.
Opps, you said just one, sorry, but they’re like lay’s potato chips.
name 3 proven lies that you think Trump told.
1. Said he would show his taxes when the audit was done.
How did you manage to put President Trump face where Obama was!! talk about Liar in chief!! Obama s the winner!! Jackass that you are!!
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You can keep your doctor. The coon was the guy telling lies.
If we take flu shots to protect us against the flu, why can’t we carry to guns protect us against criminals?
Maybe they expect us to use the guns against the flu—just saying! THAT is how stupid Politicians are. ALL they know or want is M-O-N-E-Y!
Don’t forget CONTROL.
The Liberal left won’t like it!! Only criminals have that right!!!
And multi millions–probably off backs of US Income Tax Payers!!
And their guards have GUNS!!!!
Retired >>>> Most loud mouths have walls and high fences with electric gates or body guards.
Like this guy… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/972dcb8733f3793bf52079cf536a20336176ed5d7a20f1274e2a6d941022ef5d.jpg
Go back to your cage in the Zoo !!!!
Isn’t it nice to know you can track anybody like AntiGOP, just takes a few minutes and some inside contacts!
No need to follow ,it comes about like a daily poop .
Hey jerk
The US Constitution is our carry permit.
An advantage of concealed carry that benefits everybody, whether armed or not, is that a person who would do you harm might think twice if they think that you might be carrying a gun. Of course, there are disadvantages as well, since a person carrying a gun might in a fit of anger or insanity, use it on somebody. As with most policies, there are good & bad things about it, & it’s not always easy to ferret the good from the bad to determine what policy is best, but we should try, anyway.
Freedom is good, unfortunately along w/bad. At least good has rights.
Guns serve the greater good—by far!
Freedom is good, but it can also be abused.
Pick and name ANYTHING AND IT CAN BE ABUSED. BUT THE ABUSER IS THE CRIMINAL, NOT THE GUN, nor the poison, nor the chemical, nor the kitchen knife,nor the car, etc.
If our politicians didn’t work so hard at stirring up so much dissention and hatred, if they did not work so hard at dividing
America, we would not be seeing a lot of the murders we see. If we had a reliable, truthful press, we would be relieved of a lot of our worry,but these unreliable people we pay big money to ARE AGAINST US AND DO NOT WANT US AT EASE. PEOPLE WHO CANNOT BE AT EASE MUST HAVE A MEANS OF PROTECTING HIMSELF, AND WITH NO LEADERSHIP, HE MAY SELECT WHATEVER HE THINKS IT TAKES TO PROTECT HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY.
The citizenry did not create these problems. Our government created these problems by being irresponsible, by lying, by taking money from lobbyists and producing worthless and dangerous policies, by writing enough laws to paper wrap Europe. NOTHING that is happening is caused by any single decent American. I blame our so called “GOVERNMENT” 100%, AND I DEMAND THEY DO THE RIGHT THING, AND TAKING AWAY FREEDOMS FROM DECENT AMERICANS IS NOT THE RIGHT THING. DIVIDING THE NATION IS NOT THE RIGHT THING EITHER. Come to think of it, I cannot recall a single positive thing about our “government”.
Very well said Don!
Look at The Clintons then tell me the good have rights!!!
There were a fair number of folks in Charlottesville VA that were carrying and under Antifa threats. There were NO reports of ANY weapons being pulled or shot. Didn’t happen there.
Totally agree.
Good for you!!!
I bet you don’t have an assault weapon for those clay pigeons, and we’re not talking about home protection, we’re talking about mass shootings. Australia, which is a cultural mirror of the U.S., has not had one single mass shooting in over 21 years because they implemented gun control.
According this Republi-CON article’s absurd philosophy we should just eliminate all laws, because no law prevents 100% of any crime. That’s the demented logic of the GOP. Also, nearly all U.S. mass shootings have been perpetrated by white rightwing extremists, not foreign terrorists; in Republi-CON fashion they duplicitously leave out all those facts.
Misstaken there! Or, flat ass lie!
By far, most of our “mass shootings” were done by registered democrats!
At least 80, and maybe even 90 percent!
The U.S. Department of Justice says otherwise.
“most of our “mass shootings” were done by registered democrats!” is the flat out lie and more fake news from the mindfukced Trump supporters & America’s #1 terrorist threat; but you rubes only listen to & believe Trump the pathological Liar-in-Chief.
DOJ: Right Wing Terrorists/Trump’s base are America’s #1 Terrorist Threat.
DOJ Pivots From ISIS to U.S. Anti-Government Groups.
DOJ: Right Wing Domestic terror groups pose a greater threat to America than ISIS or al Qaeda. The DOJ announced the new position – the Domestic Terrorism Counsel -following multiple violent attacks or plots against the U.S. that were motivated by “anti-government views, racism, bigotry, anarchy, and other despicable beliefs.”
http://cnn.it/1LJnVJm
Or Straight Arrow have them fire their armed guards at their walled in estates,
The Europeans are the last ones to lecture us about gun violence. Two world wars killed over 40 million people.
And both France and England own the largest part of the ME problems but expect us to cure the problems they have caused.
Not to many people understand that .
What’s ME?? Dont mean to sound, er, dumb but what is that?
And our mainland was not invaded by Japan because they thought twice about armed citizens protecting our homeland.
Democrats just keep stating lies because they can’t accept truth! NO way will we allow our 2nd Amendment to be taken away. By the way, murders in England tend to be by hammers, and muslims cutting off arms or heads of citizens. Hmmm. What would you choose? In today’s world we need to protect ourselves and that is why the 2nd Amendment may never ever be touched. Don’t blame the NRA but the fact that illegals or the super rich can purchase guns of all types is where the problem lies. How did this man acquire some 43 guns because I would surely think they have to check a gun buyer. Probably brought in illegally thru either border and purchased on the streets of our country as well. I enjoyed when they were paying gun owners to bring him guns/rifles and found out that the sellers just wanted to get rid of the old stuff and went out and bought the new. I am still laughing over that one. Where are the murderers in Chicago acquiring their guns? Hmm
They’re stealing them from gun shops and homes, I suspect.
The gun did not kill those 59 innocent victims, it was a deranged sick individual pulling the trigger who could have used a truck, bomb, poison gas etc. In Europe we have seen vehicles, knives, machetes used. When a sick mind is intent on killing they will find a way.
You might as well ban baseball bats.
Laws only affect the law abiding, NO law will stop a criminal or insane person or terrorist from doing as they choose!
Once again this guy was on psychotropic drugs like 100% of all the other mass shooters “FACT”
He had bomb making materials if didn’t have guns he would have blown people up. The communist use these events to try to disarm us. And I believe someday we will find out that they are behind all this and orchestrate it through the deep state.
The number of people killed with fists and feet in a year is greater than the number who are shot and killed, even if you add in the criminals that get shot by their victims or the police. More people are killed by drunk drivers each year. More people drown every year. Heart attacks and strokes kill more people each year than gun users. Hospital mistakes kill more people each year than gun users. Are the politicians going to ban all of those as well?
MY common sense tells me that gubmint is the entity the 2nd was penned to control, not the people.
MY common sense tells me that Vegas is an orchestrated gun grab.
MY common sense tells me abolishing or replacing the 2nd would be the death knell of freedom.
MY common sense tells me no gun ever committed ANY act.
Great post!
Sadly, common sense is NOT so common anymore.
Much of this is caused by the Media. They latch on to something & play it to the hilt. Hollywood isn’t any better. Some of the sick movies they put out should not be allowed. There are enough people out there, who are easily influenced by what they see & hear. Our Government, & our Courts have actually aided the Law Breakers, with their stupid, laws they have come up with.
Yeah. Young gullible folk see all that – some of it which they shouldnt. I think it does have an influence on them. They think its “cool”, “sophisticated”, “powerful” etc. to get their hands in guns, then to use them to commit crimes with if they aren’t stopped.
Then gang mentality incorporates guns I.e. pistols as part of their propaganda. Can even be seen in prints on their T-shirts, etc.
I have to agree with your post. My guess is that this Paddock guy did what he did to get his name well-known. Wanted to be known as the guy that committed the greatest mass murder ever in America. Now he has set a target for other psychopaths to try to exceed.
…not just the news media and Hollywood but video games and toys as well. Just saw an advert the other day for a PVP laser tag set which touted “rapid charging” of your weapon to get back into the action quick and autofire capability.
The “shoot em up” mentality is being reinforced from so many directions.
Very True, I just didn’t mention them all. In all reality, I believe the main problem, is the fact that there are not that many True Christians, Who believe in God, Jesus Christ, & the Bible. Satan has done his Job, very well on this Earth.
..I agree to a point. Most in the administration and Congress (on both sides of the aisle) and those who blindly back this administration tend to speak and act in direct opposition to Christ’s teachings. It’s as if everything he said about peace, love, and caring has been redacted from the scriptures they read while all the fire and brimstone of the Old Testament (which he came here to save us from) is in bold red print.
In Genesis we were exhorted to be stewards of this world, so far, we have done a pretty poor job of it.
St John’s Revelation was an apocalyptic warning, but even he said it may not have to come to pass if humanity eschewed greed, hate, and violence to follow Christ’s teachings and examples.
Well, if you think this administration is bad (which it is) then tell me about the previous. Worst Administration, EVER ! I don’t like most of the members of Congress in this present, however Trump is on the right track, & if can’t save this Country, NO ONE EXCEPT for GOD or Jesus Christ can. And I believe Trump got into the Presidents office with the help of one or both of them .
…Mr Trump is a liar, cheat and swindler. He is as far from removed from Christ as Satan is. He uses people and abuses people to advance and monetarily enrich himself. He openly disrespects people based on colour, ethnic background, and gender. He is a depraved sexist who one time proposing to a nine year old girl he’d date her in ten years (the proof is on video). His foundation exists not to help people like that of Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, but channel money into legal activities to protect himself.
As President he looks to strip healthcare from over 30 million citizens putting the matter back in control of the for profit insurance industry, gut public education for the sake of for profit private schools,. He has rolled back environmental and worker safeguards so that corporations can make bigger profits off the backs of hard working people. He wants to reduce the tax burden on the wealthy class and corporations who hoard their wealth and profits rather than use them for the benefit of this nation and citizens (and stands to gain millions himself based on his proposed budget). He will gut the social safety net which helps people get a leg up to get themselves out of poverty. He will gut Medicare and Social Security to pull the rug out from under seniors and the disabled. Who looks to incite conflict instead of peace?
This is the man who will save our nation? Apologies as the only one’s he’s interested in saving are himself and those at the top of the economic food chain. Apologies but his actions and policies are more in league with the forces of darkness and depravity than those of light and goodness.
Please, stop drinking the Fool Aid and open your eyes.
From what you have posted, I believe it fits you to a “T” !
…not at all surprised by your response.
Keep living in denial my friend as this man and his cronies are going to bring this nation and possibly even the world down. In some ways already has, particularly in the eyes of other nations. He has praised strongman despots and insulted both ethnic groups and long time allies. That is not the mark of a real leader, for a real leader has sincerity, compassion, and understanding, something Mr Trump woefully lacks.
Trump cares only about two things, amassing wealth and “Trump”. He doesn’t care about me, he doesn’t care about you, he doesn’t care about this nation, or even the world.. All that matters to him is coming out on top of everyone else, no matter who he has to step on or hurt to get there. That’s the way he’s done things all his life. So far he’s run this country like a poorly scripted reality show and will bankrupt it like he has a dozen of his own businesses.
When his time finally comes, Mr. Trump is going to discover trying to guide his camel though the needle’s eye to be the first impossible task he’s ever faced, and he won’t be able to buy, cheat, or swindle his way out of that, for his money and lawyers will be no good at the gates.
BEST POST today Patriot47:):) I totally agree. This post is from a Vietnam Vet who has seen what killing is all about. Killing is just something, that can be done in any number of ways. There are so many potential weapons out there, that you cannot possibly bane the use of them all. THINK about it folks. It’s really easy to kill someone with any number of “tools” that are NOT guns. I rest my case.
True.
Yep. Person using it commits the act.
Precisely!
I hope all of you on this informative Forum are N.R.A. members and if not, IT IS TIME TO JOIN.
The news media is a very believable liar to most Americans and they can say anything they want to and say it enough that uninformed people will believe it to be true.
The N.R.A. is the oldest civil rights group in America and it makes “NO” difference what race you are or religion. The N.R.A. is for protecting the United States of America’s CONSTITUTION.
Even if you hate or don’t own a firearm you should sign up because you know when the second amendment falls, THE REST OF THE CONSTITUTION IS GOING TO BE ELIMINATED OR CHANGE SO MUCH IT WILL BE USELESS TO FREEDOM IN AMERICA.
I have been a member of the NRA since 1964 and have upgraded to Endowment Member during that time period.
Only thing is that I hate is that the NRA is paying a heck of a lot of money to people like Ryan Zinke to shoot (slaughter) wild mustangs & wolves & other animals. That sucks!!!
I guess you don’t realize that if it were not for licensed “LEGAL” hunting, Most animals would not exist anymore.
With the cancer of human sprawl, There is way less areas for the animals that I love as much as you do. If the animals are not thinned out all will eventually die off.
Please do a little research on this before you decide that the N.R.A. is paying people to kill animals because they do not.
Hunters do the killing and of course most of them belong to the N.R.A.
Dear G-d in Heaven. More “blame it on Hillary” from the far right. More tripe about communism.
God knows the truth and no matter how you try to protect her here on earth she will be held accountable one day. I just wish there was good politicians and judicial people that would do their jobs. Most have become compromised or suicided though. God please shield and protect the innocent from the evils within and outside our country. Amen!!
UNARMED CITIZENS ARE PESANTS AND PREY!!!!
The libtards want to ban guns to stop gun violence like they made drugs illegal to stop drug abuse. We all Know how that turned out. More people are killed with hammers than AR15s, so lets ban hammers first then think about banning trucks like the ones used in France to kill people.
Their knee jerk stupidity is nauseating.
Banning things only make the price of the items go up. It does not stop the sale of the item and thus becomes a more profitable item. History tells us that with the sale of alcohol until prohibition ended.
And a black market for guns would develop overnight. A gun ban would not stop criminals, only make the law abiding vulnerable. The comment by a lady that lived in Nazi germany is a warning to all: They knocked and came in and took all the guns, they never knocked again.
It has the possible benefit of keeping cartels from profiting more off Americans. Illegal pot farms still stand though. A huge one was just busted in fact!!
Many “libs” are stating that you can’t outlaw trucks. And it would be kind of stupid to do that. Far L libs are many of the ones who wanted to legalize marijuana. Not me & I’m not a “far Leftist”. But since it is legal now there needs to be strict laws & regs governing its usage. Driving while under the influence still stands I’m sure.
Libtards??Will this not stop?!
Beyond stupidity. It’s a liberal desire to turn this country into a Socialist nation.
Test: You may have a problem with your emotional attachment to your gun if: You salivate excessively while cleaning or shooting your gun; You are able to get the erection you can not muster in bed while holding your gun at the range; You spend more money on your gun or collection than you do to feed your children; You select a pickup truck only if your favorite gun fits correctly hanging in the rear window.
These Gun Grabbers are all One World Order Freaks, striving for complete control of the masses. Corrupt, Anti-America Assholes, all of them !
Gun grabbers???!!!What??
What do you mean by “WHAT” ? In case you have not figured it out , The ONE World Order Group, which consists of many of our elected officials are all tied into The One World Order group, who want to control the entire World. They know that they can’t do it all at once, so taking One Step at a Time, they slowly place people in the proper places to get done what ever they need to take over all Governments & rule the entire World. One of these steps is to disarm the public so we cannot fight back. That is exactly why the 2nd amendment was put into the Constitution in the first place, so if necessary we could control a wayward Government. You are not aware of this ? Go to You tube & type in One World Order, & read what it says. I knew about this before there even was YouTube, or for that matter computers in darn near every home.
Holy crap!
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Gun Owners Of America.
Everyone at Gun Owners of America was extremely troubled and saddened to see the tragic and terrifying report of the shooting in Las Vegas.
GOA and all our employees send the sincerest prayers for the victims, their families, and all involved in this heartbreaking incident.
At the same time, it is disturbing to see anti-gun politicians and celebrities politicizing the tragedy by calling for further restrictions on guns.
They are blaming gun owners like you and me for what an evil man did.
And some Republicans in Washington are feeling the pressure to “do something.” Even President Trump said that, “We’ll be talking about gun laws as time goes by.”
Gun Owners of America has been on the front lines all week, answering the “tough” questions.
We have frequently been asked by media outlets around the country — even around the world — to “justify” why Americans should own guns.
Of course, we remind them that we have a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of Needs.
But our message is clear: We cannot blame gun owners, the gun itself, or the liberties protected in the Second Amendment for how evil people abuse that freedom.
The vast majority of gun owners — like yourself — handle their firearms responsibly.
Guns are being used every day to save lives — and good Americans have even used their firearms to stop mass shootings.
GOA is also emphasizing that no amount of gun control will stop bad guys from getting their hands on firearms.
I pointed out during one TV debate that many of the countries in Europe — with all their gun control — still have a higher rate of Mass Shootings per capita than does the United States.
Even though France has far stricter gun restrictions than we do, that country saw more people die in mass shootings in 2015 than were killed in all the U.S. mass shootings during Obama’s presidency.
It’s a sad day, when those who hate our constitutionally-protected liberties try to turn a time for grieving into an opportunity to punish you and restrict your freedoms.
But we will stand together to oppose them.
The DEMOS+LEFT are so stupid as usual !! Take all guns from good people , they will obey the law and not have them ! OKAY NOW THE MURDERS , ROBBERS AND ALL CROOKS CAN MAKE 1 PHONE CALL , IN 30 MINUTES THERE BE A CAR THERE WITH A TRUNK LOAD OF ILLEGAL GUNS FOR THE CRIMINALS !!! We will be really safe in that way ???? Look at FRANCE’S killing !!
Would someone please tell me just how many of the guns used in these mass shootings were registered to NRA members? I think that this is a stat that we would all like to know. And at the same time,how many were illegally bought and on the unregistered black market?
Gangs typically purchase guns on the street. Illegally of course. Sources of these illegal weapons I don’t know.
Obama and Holder are guilty of aiding and abetting in the crime of murder by providing arms to Mexican drug gangs who used these arms to murder rival gang members and to murder a U.S. border guard.(See “Fast and Furious”)
Yet Obama and Holder are walking around free.
Meanwhile, liberals blame the NRA for mass killings.
The 2nd amendment in the constitution is given to us by our founders. If these haters of the constitution and America continue on their ever increasing push to disregard the 2nd amendment it won’t stop there. Since government seems to ignore the 4th amendment and many others with the complicity of the courts allowing asset seizure to name one, then we all should fear for our families our communities and the very fabric of American life. The Communists are in charge it seems and they have accomplished their 45 declared goals to takeover America are almost complete.
Communists in charge?????What????
Knives kill more I think. Bombs kill: mass murders. If someone is purchasing stuff (lots of fertilizers etc.) & isn’t usually a customer at a particular locale, if I was the store mgr or an established employee, I’d do something. I’d surely be very wary of this kind of occurrence.
Gangs frequently use illegally obtained guns & use in drive-by killings- frequently takes place where I live. How do they illegally obtain so many weapons?!
Also kids getting their hands on parents’ (guardian’s) rifle or pistol & ammo. Kids shoot illegally in rural areas. Parents know it, permit it & dont do a damn thing about it.
Individuals (I.e. kids, teens) w/mental issues, dark activities (devious web connections) & threats to commit murders needs to be more noticed.
Steve the gun grabbers are one world but they are communist one world!
A local Malmo newspaper in Sweden complained of availability of cheap firearms in Sweden. It is almost impossible for a Swedish civilian to buy a firearm as in all other EU countries. Criminals and islamist terrorists smuggle weapons. Build an unbreachable wall between U.S. and Mexico and no restrictions on firearms other than excluding purchase by muslims/islamists.
The communist use tragedy to push their agenda of disarmament the last obstacle to a communist America they know it. The only thing that stops communism is a bullet! They are destroying free speech through the media and education systems. The ability of the people who oppose them to someday revolt and put down their ideology is a thorn in their side. And that day is coming in America.
Democrats aren’t all communists. A certain faction might be, not sure. Many are not.
I wonder if we can get the anti gun folks to put signs up outside their residences that say : “This is a GUN FREE home!” ?
Our Forefathers drafted it into the Constitution that every American had the right to keep and bare arms. The reason is very simple to those who understand, with every citizen allowed to possess weapons they are a ready made Militia, able and capable of protecting our way of life. Those that don’t understand this important right don’t pay attention. In the United States our Military is not allowed to initially raise up within the borders of our country to quell armed conflict. It is the Law enforcement and our citizens responsibility. This was also included in the Constitution to protect the people from having their basic rights as a citizen from the Government take over through hostile action. This is why the Left wing nuts will never succeed in taking over our Country with their Socialist mentality.
Right Big Gun Lie also!!!!1
I am a gun owner.
The Liberals/communists/Antifa are PAID by George Soros! The 60 + man who shot at the baseball practice in Washington, DC and the 64 yo Paddock were PAID to kill people! The Clinton goons are at it again.
A Judge in Arkansas was arrested and charged in witness tampering; he was releasing felons for sex and porn. The reporter said it was the worse crime out of Arkansas. OOPS; he forgot the Clintons!
Mass shootings not in Europe. Well, let’s start with WWI and then ruminate upon WWII if we want to talk about the world gone mad. Of course, the Nazis used gas on the most vulnerable because bullets were too expensive and German soldiers were getting stressed by having to shoot Jews, Poles, Russians and just about anybody deemed inferior including handicapped and other undesirables. Both wars totaled over 50 million dead.
Another car used in London today to mow down people in front of a museum. ISN’T IT ABOUT TIME TO OUTLAW CARS SO THAT MASS MURDERERS CANNOT BUY THEM TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE?!!!
I still believe that guns save lives…yes they are crazy people in this world. We need to pray harder
A man from Australia said they had 22 of these mass shootings since the crack down on guns there. But you don’t hear anything about it here.
The 2nd Amendment is NOT here so we can protect ourselves from Deer or Grouse, We have the 2nd Amendment to allow us to protect ourselves from Those would remove all our rights.
We still have about 4 times the rate of murders that France does.
I have asked a few politicians, if guns were totally banned, if they would take responsibility for all deaths if any criminals who can always get guns (some from the government) killed people? Have yet to receive any kind of answer. You will never get one because they all open their mouths in a group , but untouchable as an individual!! Try your luck with what I did and see what answer you get. Good luck!
He decided to kill people long before he bought his guns. It could have been fire, poison, disease just as easily. The thing that scares me — did someone recognize his pathology and make a patsy out of him.
The democrats always use Australia’s Gun ban of 1996 saying that their gun confiscation worked but that is another one of their lies. I have a letter from a senator in Australia that says America don’t let your government take your guns. He went on to say since their gun ban crime went up 60% because the criminals still had their guns and they know now that the Australian people can no longer protect themselves, their property or love ones. So having control of congress it is the hope of the majority of Americans that you reject any new gun laws, I believe that congress should pass a bill that would stop all attacks on the Second Amendment by anyone.
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Gun Owners Of America.
Everyone at Gun Owners of America was extremely troubled and saddened to see the tragic and terrifying report of the shooting in Las Vegas.
GOA and all our employees send the sincerest prayers for the victims, their families, and all involved in this heartbreaking incident.
At the same time, it is disturbing to see anti-gun politicians and celebrities politicizing the tragedy by calling for further restrictions on guns.
They are blaming gun owners like you and me for what an evil man did.
And some Republicans in Washington are feeling the pressure to “do something.” Even President Trump said that, “We’ll be talking about gun laws as time goes by.”
Gun Owners of America has been on the front lines all week, answering the “tough” questions.
We have frequently been asked by media outlets around the country — even around the world — to “justify” why Americans should own guns.
Of course, we remind them that we have a Bill of Rights, not a Bill of Needs.
But our message is clear: We cannot blame gun owners, the gun itself, or the liberties protected in the Second Amendment for how evil people abuse that freedom.
The vast majority of gun owners — like yourself — handle their firearms responsibly.
Guns are being used every day to save lives — and good Americans have even used their firearms to stop mass shootings.
GOA is also emphasizing that no amount of gun control will stop bad guys from getting their hands on firearms.
I pointed out during one TV debate that many of the countries in Europe — with all their gun control — still have a higher rate of Mass Shootings per capita than does the United States.
Even though France has far stricter gun restrictions than we do, that country saw more people die in mass shootings in 2015 than were killed in all the U.S. mass shootings during Obama’s presidency.
It’s a sad day, when those who hate our constitutionally-protected liberties try to turn a time for grieving into an opportunity to punish you and restrict your freedoms.
But we will stand together to oppose them.
The reality is, the left knows why the 2nd amendment was added. It was meant to stop anti constitutional parties who try to destroy freedom from succeeding. They want guns gone, because they know their treasonous behaviour may well make them the targets of freedom loving Americans.
The more decent citizens with guns, the more the criminals including many Democrats and liberals need to worry about. They know if the go into the wrong neighborhoods, they will leave on a stretcher.
All the countries that have banned gun’s are wishing that they didn’t. The crime shot up because they know that they won’t be shot. Plus the criminals still have there weapon’s and now threat of Terrorists have left them helpless. That’s what the Democraps want for the American people. To be helpless and have to rely on the Government for everything. Hold tight to your Guns and stand free.
I don’t think we need to outlaw GUNS, just those that can fire enough rounds in a minute to MURDER so many people.
And I think that if we would STOP calling these events SHOOTINGS, and start calling them MURDERS, which is what they are, maybe we could agree that a real hunter, or someone wanting to protect their family, does NOT need to be able to wipe out a whole town in a matter of minutes to do so.
Personally, I think that someone who needs a semi-automatic to hunt a deer, should not have a weapon at all!
It’s the only place the Marx Stream Media tells us about.
So then why is it that you right wingers want to ban abortion and birth control then? Banning abortion will not stop abortion. Abortion ends the lives of fetuses before birth, gun violence ends the lives of people that have already been born. So should we just not have any laws at all because people violate the law all the time and laws don’t stop people from committing crime so why not just let everyone do what they want with no law like the Wild West? Why are your buddies, the republicans, locking up more and more people in for profit prisons, more than any other country, even China and Russia? If laws are not important, why should we lock up all these people at sixty thousand taxpayer dollars a year for things like two marijuana joints? One black man is still in prison right now serving an eighteen year sentence for just two marijuana joints. You republican types aren’t doing anything about this kind of injustice. You rant about how aborting a poorly developed fetus that is not much more than a baby frog at that stage of development is murder, even if the fetus has abnormalities incompatible with life, but you will do nothing to prevent men from legally stockpiling over 48 assault rifles and more than six bump stocks and hundreds of rounds of large capacity ammunition, enough to start a one man war, which has killed 59 people and wounded over five hundred people in less than fifteen minutes, as if this is O.K. and should not be regulated in any way? Democrats do not want to take any sane person’s hunting rifle or personal protection pistol away. All we are asking for is common sense gun safety rules and regulations that might help reduce these kinds of attacks. The terrorists that have shot people in Europe did not just walk into a gun shop and buy their assault weapons and ammo, they had to smuggle them into the country. These laws would make it harder for bad guys to get guns to hurt people. We shouldn’t be making it too easy for these people to get any kind of weapon that they want to use against innocent people. Many people have their own personal moral and religious reasons why they would not own guns, even for personal protection. I do not live in fear at all, and I have never owned a weapon, or even pepper spray. I just choose to live my life boldly, courageously, and without fear. It takes more courage not to have a weapon then to feel that you have to carry a gun everywhere you go. This fear and paranoia is being deliberately promoted at a time when most of America is safer than it has ever been. Carrying guns has become a fashion statement for some people. It’s a good thing that I don’t have a gun, because I have a wicked Irish temper. It takes a lot to get me mad, but lately I have been so mad that if I had a gun, I could probably kill some people who are doing very evil things that are hurting me and millions of other people. I am glad that I do not have a gun, especially now. I have decided that it is against my principles to kill people. If they kill me than it’s on them, not me. I am more worried about my immortal soul, than staying alive. We all have to die sometime anyway. They might be doing me a favor by putting me out of my misery of chronic pain. However; no one needs a semiautomatic rifle with a bump stock for deer hunting or personal protection. These advanced weapons were not invented at the time the Constitution was written. In addition; the second amendment was written so that citizens could have arms to potentially take back their country from tyranny, should it occur. Unfortunately; if the tyrannical dictatorship is supported by our military, then a bunch of citizens, no matter how many weapons they have, will ever have a prayer in hell of defeating them. If the military is opposed to the tyrannical dictatorship, then the dictatorship will be doomed. Most of our military men and women stand for democracy and our Constitution and will defend it to the death. The Republican Party is fixing to call a constitutional convention to rewrite the Constitution by only republican right-wingers, and for these republicans. This will not stand, primarily because it is a conspiracy to overthrow our democracy. These republicans are committing sedition and potential treason against our democracy. I refuse to allow this or live in a phony Christian fossil fuel, polluting, plundering, theocratic oliogarchy run by billionsires like the Koch brothers. I will fight these guys or else go live in Uruguay or someplace just to go somewhere where I can live in peace. My ancestors came here on the Mayflower, they would be appalled with what these lying, perverted bigots are doing to our country now. The Native Americans knew what was going to happen because they saw us for what we are, plundering, lying, slave masters, who will engage in any degree of corruption, genocide and murder to satisfy our greed. We are rapidly destroying the environment of this country, that Native Americans deliberately preserved at great personal inconvenience for over thirty thousand years. Shame on us for the damage that we have caused after less than five hundred years. Uruguay is much less toxic and has universal health care, unlike America. I would probably be happier in Uruguay, where Christians are not such greedy, racist, sexist, homophobic, idiotic, stupid, uninformed, misinformed, anti-science, anti- Christ ( was not a conservative, by any means) , phony hypocrites, liars. You people were spoken of in the Gospel by Christ himself when he called you “whitewashed graves that look good on the outside, but are full of filth and dead man’s bones inside”. You had better read the book ” Christian Pharisees” that I was going to write myself, but it is better that a conservative minister wrote this book. Discrimination against anyone is a sin against God, who made all people individuals with great individual variety. Christ called us to LOVE one another, not hate, exploit, and discriminate against each other. Christians must choose God over Mammon (wealth), or else they are Old Testament Jews and not Christian at all. If we are Christian, we must follow Christ. Christ did not carry a Bible in one hand and an assault rifle in the other hand as some other f you fanatics seem to think. You right wing fanatics really push the limit on my ability to feel disgust and revulsion. I hope you are enjoying some sadistic glee in all the suffering you people are causing so at least someone will get something out of this mess you and your elected officials are creating before you are all called on the carpet by the supreme being.
You can point out mass shootings elsewhere but the little tidbit fact they won’t mention about Australia, which is a cultural mirror of the U.S., is that they have not had one single mass shooting in over 21 years because they implemented gun control.
According this Republi-CON article’s absurd philosophy we should just eliminate all laws, because no law prevents 100% of any crime. That’s the demented logic of the GOP. Also, nearly all U.S. mass shootings have been perpetrated by white rightwing extremists, not foreign terrorists; in Republi-CON fashion they duplicitously leave out all those facts.
People with common sense should be able to see through the bullshit, it is a PROVEN fact that where carry laws are prominent, violent crime is reduced.
The dummycrats are a total LIE -it never has been about guns – it’s about control & power. Any dufus that would vote for the dislikes of obozo or clownton needs to have their head examined. &&& then there’s michael(not michelle) obozo(nothing but a he/she)-lying little liza pootahontas-burned up sanders-lurch Kerry-Clarabelle biden-piglosi-chump shamer-maxless muddy waters-etc. etc. Nothin but a bunch of lying freaks
The Left is terminally ill! They have no concept of reality and are concerned more with prestige, money and power than they are with real people! If you have ever noticed, it is usually people who kill people; often with guns, but sometimes with knives or their bare hands! By the Left’s reasoning, knives and hands should therefore be outlawed as well as guns! Unfortunately, there is no reasoning with these people. Therefore, people have to protect themselves . . . with guns, knives or bare hands if necessary. Bad guys do not respect nor obey the law, therefore, it is up to regular people to do what is necessary! That is why people get a license to carry!!
Why don’t that Hillary Clinton woman just go lay down and stay out of politics. Leave us all alone. Nothing to offer, nothing good for us to take away besides take all we got, so buzzzzz off!
Funny, its the Commiecrats doing the complaining, and trying to influence how to put a stop to it!
When its also the Commiecrats THAT ARE DOING THESE SHOOTINGS!
Easy stop to it, just completly bar democra, uh, I mean Commiecrats from ever even touching a gun!
Problem solved!
(If they just obey the law!)
Hmm, isnt there already a law against murder?
These fools can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. But they will have to climb over a lot of liberal bodies first.
The child-like naivete of democrats and other useful idiots who believe more gun laws will prevent these attacks is so silly and so pathetic.
Citing Europe is a very bad example. I’m thinking WWI and WWII.
Just ban all weapons from islamic terrorist and liberals, you know since they seem to be the only one doing the mass killings..