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NY Times Lecture: We Must “Understand” and “Engage” Muslim Immigrants
Posted On 24 May 2017
Are American liberals EVER going to tire of their cherished mainstream news outlets sticking up for Islam in the hours after one of these deranged Muslims blows himself and others into kingdom come? Even if you are a bleeding-heart Democrat who thinks we should live in one big tent of harmony, singing songs of kumbaya, don’t you ever get SICK of listening to these idiot pundits defend this “religion of peace” immediately after one of its followers commits mass murder? Would you ever tolerate this kind of apologia if the perpetrators of these attacks were Christian terrorists?
There were lots of Islam-defenders in the media this week, but let’s just look at the New York Times editorial board to get a taste of the insanity. The day after an ISIS-affiliated terrorist killed 22 people (and injuring more than a hundred others) at an Ariana Grande concert in England, the Old Gray Lady had this to say about the bloodbath:
In Britain, as in the rest of Europe and in the United States, it is critical that immigrants, especially Muslims, are not stigmatized. As Richard Barrett, former director of global counterterrorism operations at MI6, Britain’s foreign intelligence agency, said, “engaging the community and letting the community inform us” is one way “to understand why people do this” and to prevent future attacks.
Understanding is critical. The quickest way for open societies to lose the freedoms they enjoy and the Islamic State seeks to destroy would be to whip up divisive ethnic, racist and religious hatreds. But there will be those who try. The Daily Telegraph columnist Allison Pearson tweeted on Tuesday: “We need a State of Emergency as France has. We need internment of thousands of terror suspects now to protect our children.” Then there was the unbelievably vile tweet by Katie Hopkins, a British commentator: “We need a final solution.” She later changed “final” to “true” in a new tweet after her original was widely condemned.
Okay, so it’s never a great idea to use Nazi terminology, but how can the editors use the term “unbelievably vile” to describe a tweet when we just had 22 people – many of them children – blown to bits by a radical Islamist? And frankly, Hopkins is a damn sight closer to reality than the New York Times, which continues to mistakenly believe that if the West is just a little bit more open and accepting to Islam, these things will stop happening.
Furthermore, the media – and the Times is the flagship – has been trading in “divisive ethnic, racist, and religious hatreds” for a long time. Except when the target of those hatreds are white Christians, it’s just fine. It only becomes a freedom-destroying problem when the targets are black, Muslim, Hispanic, or gay. Then it’s horrific. Then it’s the end of the world as we know it.
Nah, sorry, it doesn’t work like that. And by putting your head in the sand every time one of these horrifying attacks happens, you’re just making things worse.
and they wonder why the NYT is slipping into insolvency could it be the propaganda they have dumped on America for the last 100 years?
We wish they would just go away! Who reads that rag anyway?
Now Helga, the NYT serves as a great kitty-litter-liner for Hercules, my pet kitty, and even serves as a great bird-cage-liner for Spike, my miniature stegosaurus. Believe me Hercules and Spike were cured of constant constipation when I lined their little catch-alls with the NYT.
Quarks, you made me laugh out loud! Thanks!
The New York Times is wrong. The Muslims won’t assimilate. They only way to protect Western Society is to get rid of Muslims. The sooner the better before they kill more innocent people.
That’s right.
The NY TIMES (formerly a reputable US newspaper) rarely takes or posts comments from American patriots sick of our slanted anti-American worker, anti-US Constitution, liberal bias.
Please Air Mail your complaints, taped to a brick, through any west side window of our main office between 3am and 5am for proper consideration by our editors.
>>> 620 Eighth Avenue, New York, NY <<<
Thank You, in advance for your submissions!
Charlie–Hate 2 rain on your parade, but if I had 2 bet on whether windows at “Gray Lady” offices R reinforced or not, I’d hafta go with, “They R.”
I’d also bet U, yourself, could get an LTE published in the Seattle Times. (Everybody wants 2 get in the NY Times, and they privilege metro New Yorkers and Prominent People.) Of course, as U already know, it would need 2 B written in a “moderate” tone, e.g. without any references 2 brick throwing. 🙂
My sarcasm is better than your weak BS!
If it;s that good, the Seattle Time would publish it.
your denial of the objectives of the liberal MSM simply indicate you have drank too much of the Kool-Aid. Why don’t you host a few muslim families and see how sovereign you are or if you still are even still breathing air
So why bother? Neither the Times nor its readers are worth the effort.
My faith informs me that all people R worthwhile.
Sounds like a personal problem to me.
Those who judge, leave themselves vulnerable 2 judgement, but I’ll refrain, at least 4 the moment.
Feel free… I really don’t care.
the bible also indicates that you have the right to defend yourself against evil
sounds like fatalistic suicide
They are like the Demo-Commies, their way or the highway. Only they are here to CONQUER.
correct
The only time these tolerant idiots will learn is if one of theirs is a victim.
It is so crazy that the real victims of racisim and intolerance in America these days are white American conservatives and yet the liberals whine about EVERYONE ELSE being treated unfairly,while they are the most intolerant toward white Americans of all! They are the ones who are practicing the hatred and violence toward anyone who doesn’t follow their own agenda.
like a spoiled pubescent teenager, they bite the hand that feeds them – since most stop their education at the high school level and the current high schools are simply babysitters, their mentality has not progressed beyond the selfish ignorance of pubescent delinquency – they need to wake up before they are forced into prayer 5 times daily and are required to convert or hand over the spoils of their efforts to the mudslimes or get decapitated or beaten to the point they wish they were dead
Nah – they just make up another story blaming it on the right…..
Granda lost 22 fans killed and many more injured, and she still hasn’t learned….
Herb1949, Liberals are incapable of learning as we can see by the musings of the NYT. They also live in their own fantasy world while us common people can see clearly living in the real world. In order to stop these Muslim attacks we need to completely change our society and adhere to Sharia law and pray to Allah five times a day, according to them! Ask yourself, why don’t the good Muslim speak out and condemn these attacks? We don’t hear much from them which indicates that they agree with the terrorists! Hasn’t anyone learned anything from Germany’s sordid history?
But, is it true that she is going to perform again soon IN THE SAME PLACE??
NO decent human would do that.
then they will blame bush
The article should have ended with – and putting your head up your ass, everytime a muslime attack happens.
OOPS! It looks like another one just occurred!
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A picture tells 1000 words, hahaha. That is the same picture I wanted to post but since I only use a phone not a computer I cannot seem to post the pictures that I want and there is no doubt that I am a computer illiterate .I hate them with a passion, LOL. Thank you for posting the picture I do appreciate it and have a Happy Memorial Day .
That rather appears to be Obo’s behind! Is it?
To understand what motivates Muslims one must understand the goal the Quran sets for its Islamic followers: world conquest of an Islamic caliphate, by any and all means.
Submission caused by fear of being killed is the most potent psychological method.
A civilized society anywhere on earth has to deal with such enemy by a forth right approach of letting this enemy finally know that law and order is first and foremost to rule and protect. The sword of justice will be wielded without delay, finally, There is to be no debating of or compromising with their religious beliefs, contrary to what a civilized society can abide.
Here is what motivates a Muslim, to do what they do: 1. NO assurance 2. NO Wisdom 3. NO Comfort 4. NO Salvation These FOUR “ESSENTIALS” or lack thereof, will motivate anyone to do what they do to obtain these four! EVERYONE on the face of this planet has a NEED for these four, yet these are either received the right way or the wrong way. The Muslim way, is definitely wrong! 1 JOHN 2:22 KJV
my sword is sharpened
Islam is cancer – see the truth here: http://totallyright.us/home/2017/4/11/islamic-cancer-spreading-and-theyre-pushing-for-a-religious-war-with-christians-worldwide
The first step is to read the koran. Thomas Jefferson did and understood it quite well and solved the problem. If you need help go here to get educated—–“Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World.”
Yeah, a bullet between the eyes of every muslime scumbag. That! Will solve the problem. Not love, they’ll just keep killing you dumb bastards
TJ already understood the Muslim problem way back when but the Progressives haven’t learned a thing! Go figure!
Being a progressive is an indication of mental deficiency! They’ve shown their colors time and again. They are juvenile minded, believing that everything is rosy when you do as they say. Trouble is that it’s never rosey! They want to make the world over much like the Muslims want to do, only make it so they can be intolerant but no one else can! We in progressive just can’t see the light they claim to see!
They are all just too busy to read the Quran and probably couldn’t comprehend the concept of abrogation where peaceful earlier passages are superseded by more violent later versions. And before you believe apologists claiming that doesn’t matter understand they are not listed in chronological order. They probably wouldn’t believe there is one meaning for Muslims and another quite different one for kafirs either. Probably has something to do with the liberal mental disorder where obvious facts seem unable to penetrate the thick
skulls of legends-in-their-own-minds.
When you consider that the Koran was written, by who knows who and no one knows when, but was written on palm leaves, wood branches, men’s memories, shoulders of camels and stones and did NOT descend from heaven, none has any named author, nor time, I’d say this casts major doubt! “Sahib Bukhari vol 6 Book 60 #201/vol.9,Bk 89 #301 also too: words like qaf/saad etc are In the Koran yet have NO meaning! There is NO fruit in a Koran, only bloody wars etc. No nations that got right or blessed etc BUT all Muslim nations are, IN FACT, 3rd world nations!
Not exactly right Homer 1057. Paper had been invented long before. Mohamed could neither read nor write, so his cousins and other relations wrote what he said or their interpretation of what he said. Actually, the Muslims in their first hundred years were very progressive. Your eye glasses and telescopes were invented by Muslims. Alphalfa was discovered by them, our numbering system was their invention, many medicines were fond by Muslims. They established Libraries, but destroyed the greatest library of their times in Alexandria. The went to war with all the nations around the Mediterranean sea/ Were stopped by France, The went east and were more or less stopped in India, but are well founded in some of the island nations in the Indian Ocean. They are now attempting a bigger foot hold in the Philipeanes..
Actually if you do take it on yourself to read the Koran or Quron, all the way through and take notes, you’ll find that it contradicts itself many times. Mohamed could never read nor write. His cousins took down his sayings and eventually combined them. The separation of the different divergencies likely are there because one person input his own idea into the comment. Unknown if it’s true but some teach that. The Koran was all one person speaking, but he couldn’t always remember what he’s said. Sometimes a family member would point out the differences, and he’d go off in an entirely different way!
GOOD HIT, SIR! SEE also “Mohammed’s Believe It or Else” by Abdullah Aziz from Crescent Moon Publications at $3.95 and 24 pages! There is info packed in there to really open eyes! See also Sura 6:50 Mohammed said he knew NOT the things of Allah! NOT a prophet!
And Winston Churchill also opined on Islam and said they were a cancer on our planet. Intolerant and stuck in the middle ages. Savages. Read the truth here: http://totallyright.us/home/2017/4/11/islamic-cancer-spreading-and-theyre-pushing-for-a-religious-war-with-christians-worldwide
Yes, we MUST understand, muslims want to take-over this country and instill Sharia Law and while most won’t ever kill “infidels”, they sure as hell don’t have a problem with others doing it!!! They don’t want to conform to our laws and customs, they want us to bow to theirs!! This insanity MUST STOP NOW!!!
READ and “STUDY” the Koran (FREE ONE) and the Sharia Law armed! IF people would do this and see these laws and the Koran, then they’d see the inerrant and falliable ways of Islam! The foundation of Islam, Muslims will collapse under the knowledge of their ways! Any tree is KNOWN by it’s fruit!
If a person is going to read the koran, they need to find one that is in chronological order. The way the standard koran is put together it has the suras in size order and it doesn’t make sense. The first time I read it, I was confused as hell. THEN I discovered that the verses are not in the correct order. The suras are the “word of allah” as revealed to muhammad, the later suras supersede the earlier ones. The earlier suras are really benign and harmless, but as the “religion” gained followers and strength the suras become more and more hateful and calling for complete domination/death of all non-muslims.
When read in chronological order what we are seeing today makes sense, and the idea that islam is a “religion of peace” takes on a completely different meaning than the western world understands.
The only peace with islam is if you are muslim or completely bow down to islam as superior.
The book you require is “Mohammed’s Koran_ Why Muslims Kill For Islam – Peter McLoughlin”
Islam is cANCER AND THE TRUTH OF iSLAM IS HERE: http://totallyright.us/home/2017/4/11/islamic-cancer-spreading-and-theyre-pushing-for-a-religious-war-with-christians-worldwide
I think we understand them well enough to know they can be dangerous if they “decide” to follow the Koran, also, if they get out of line in this country raping, murdering and beating people, you can be definitely sure that we will be “engaging” them alright!
Certainly hope so. Europe is in the toilet because they tried to appease a “different” belief. Too late for them now. Keep your powder dry.
Our military is taught how to deal with IEDs and those who are strapped with bombs. After 1,400 hundred years of violent and cultural jihad, I do believe the military way is far safer than hugging these insane people.
I guess anyone with half a BRAIN already “understands” Radical islam, and the only way you “engage” is permanent deportation… or KILL them before they KILL YOU. Not hard to understand (unless you are a LIBTARD)
The only difference between radical muslims and moderate muslims is the radical muslims want to kill all infidels and the moderates hope they do…
You are indeed correct. All one has to do is obtain a copy of their koran and READ what MUSLIMES are told to do. There is NO SUCH THING as a “moderate” muslime. The so-called “moderates” are just waiting for their “orders” from the imam when it is “their” turn to carry out assaults on the “infidels”.
Absolutely! Americans who are still on the fence with these animals need to wake up and educate themselves…their ignorance is dangerous for all of us.
I am NOT on the fence: I am against Islam and Muslims and I KNOW these people and what they know and more! I KNOW Sharia FREEKING Law and the Koran better than most of them! Muslims only know what they are told! Most never read the Koran they just listen to an Imam spout off rhetoric! Read a Koran (FREE) and the S/L and see what I mean when you confront a Muslim! Muslims, I find, are cowards, they KNOW strength and they KNOW when people are strong or weak! I talked w/two from Egypt and they ran away like scalded dogs when I showed them the truth of what I knew and they did NOT! STUDY S/L and the Koran and get armed! This will do TWO things: show you the corruption and weakness of Islam, and then it will show others the same! KNOWING the Enemy is half the battle!
A Kenyan mosque leader said that the Westgate massacre, where Islamic gunmen slaughtered some 67 people, “was justified. As per the Koran, as per the religion of Islam, Westgate was 100 percent justified.” Then he said: “Radical Islam is a creation of people who do not believe in Islam. We don’t have radical Islam, we don’t have moderates, we don’t have extremists. Islam is one religion following the Koran and the Sunna
The sooner the IGNORANT so-called “compassionate” FOOLS in this country understand this, the quicker we can ERADICATE the “problem”. (before WE are the ones being murdered) It is looking more and more like WE will have to defend OURSELVES because of the “politically correct” officials, and helpless “police” are not doing their job to protect US… NEVER give up your guns and keep your eyes open at all times.
(that is why the DEMOCOMMUNISTS are forever trying to disarm the Law-abiding citizen)
Keep THAT in mind at the voting booth this November of WHO is the “party” trying to turn all of us into unarmed helpless SHEEPLES for easy slaughter, with all their “false flag” operations,continuous talk of “gun control” and “confiscation” of ALL guns to make us more “safe”
The ONLY ones THEY are concerned about are… THEMSELVES, their ILLEGALS, and MOOSLIME “friends” getting “taken out” by ARMED CITIZENS just defending themselves from TYRANNICAL TRAITORS.
I really like the way you phrased that truism! Just perfect!
kill or be killed
What these idiot Libtards in this article are talking about is the cowards way out, perfected by obama. Drain the swamp NOW… Get all the obama cowardess Libtards OUT !!!
They want to keep killing the people in the West. They dont like the way we live. So are we supposed to change our way of life to appease them? Then will they stop the killing? Is that what the liberals want?
You knew I was a snake when you took me in
I Understand that muslims want to convert everyone to islam, or kill them. It’s in the koran.
I will engage them as needed to STOP their jihad against all other religions.
IF they ask to tell me about islam and will listen to arguments I’ll talk. I WILL NOT CONVERT nor even hint that I might. They are in a religion of evil. The Bible says thou shalt not kill (actually murder is closer to the translation), islam says if they wont convert then kill (murder) them.
‘Nuff said.
I do understand them. They want to convert or kill us. Yep, it’s in the koran.
Islam is a religion of evil, they are told to kill us if we won’t be subject to islam, and to lie where necessary.
Never trust a muslim. I have known exactly 3 good “muslims”. NONE of them actually practiced islam. Women wore “western/revealing” clothing, all drank alcohol, and they didn’t attend the mosque. So I guess they (as far as islam is concerned) weren’t really muslim. But they were good (friendly, helpful, kind, tolerant) people.
Not a great track record for islam.
Who owns or are chief CEO of this so called newspaper.
What a crock.
Invite them to dinner, where they will cut your throat!! They belong in prison or death. Liberals are against death so they would go to prison, so that tax payers can support them. Sane people would give them death by what ever means is appropriate! Evil people do not negotiate, they cut you throat or blow you to bits with a bomb!
The only good muslim is a dead muslim
You can engage, love and encourage them but as for me and the ones I know …
Every practicing Islamist is subjugated to the Koran and Sharia Law … That means a practicing Islamic must annihilate (by whatever means and however long it takes), reject (not obey) any set of laws (USA’s Constitution, laws and the legislative and enforcement systems) and all non-Islamic entities (Biblical believers, edifices and principles) not subjugated as they are.
To do so, all forms of lying, cheating, subterfuge, breaking of contracts, deception, murder, killings, terrorism and any anti-Biblical means that brings honor and glory to Allah (Satan) are praiseworthy to all Islamist. Hence Obama (a not so covert Muslim) and his peers never critiqued or condemned those actions unless it was ‘taqiyya’ (an approved form of deception to pretend they are offended while inwardly rejoicing and supporting such actions).
Simply put, while many may deny it, every Islamist is a warrior and at war (to some degree) with every non-Islamist.
Too few Americans understand (been blinded to and isolated from) the absolute hatred of the Islamic faith to our Constitution, legal system, Biblical believers and principles. The Satan authored Koran is the antithesis to and counterfeit of God’s Bible.
More or less like the American whom thought that Hitler was right! There was one heck of white makes right movement in the early nineteen hundreds, continuing until after the wwII was over.
Islam and the United States are unable to exist together. One is based on sharia law and violence towards us infidels, and the USA is based on freedom and independence. Like a wild dog, it may appear friendly, letting you pet him and scratch him behind the ears, and then for no good reason it decides to turn on you and attack, trying to kill you. You just can’t trust a wild dog, and you just can’t trust followers of Islam. They live in our towns and cities right alongside us, acting friendly and working with us, and then one day they just go jihad and start murdering infidels. And we are the infidels!
The MainStreamMedia try telling us that not all are like that, but I can’t ever forget the days after 9/11/01 where large groups of Muslims were out in the streets cheering the thousands of deaths. And while most of those groups were located in the Mideast, some of those groups of Muslims cheering the destruction were right here in America. They may live here amongst us, but they are still living the lifestyle of the Muslim countries where violence is a normal way of life. Those were some of our neighbors that were celebrating and they were happy to see America attacked and thousands of innocents be murdered.
These people are not Americans, and most never will be. They simply live here, but will never assimilate into being an American. They want to use the gifts America provides, but they want no part in being Americans. This is not prejudice talking, but is the reality of the situation. And the liberal left with their twisted visions of “can’t we all just get along” is so crazy it is amazing. They can’t, or won’t, see the truth when it blows up right in their face, or hacks off their family members head right in front of them!
The MSM is only intent on doing their part in bringing America down and replacing it with progresssocialscommunism. They view the Muslim issue as simply a tool in accomplishing this goal by weakening and dividing America. In their illogical minds, they will deal with the Muslim problem later on.
This N.Y. Times article sounds disturbingly like what old Eric (the Red) Holder was trying to push when discussing race in America. Remember, we were all a “bunch of cowards,” he said, and afraid to discuss race, when what all America has been doing since 1964 is discussing race and how much white America owes black America in terms of reparations. All I want from Muslims living in America is that they understand the Supreme Law of this Land is the Constitution, not the Quran, and not Sharia Law.
And that they simply cannot do without becoming apostates in the eyes of fundamentalist Muslims who they fear.
All I want is for EVERY muslim to leave my America!
Muslims will not assimilate because that is not an action nor word they recognize as existing.nor will their faith allow. The Muslim faith, if that is what one can call it, has no place for compromise, acceptance or willingness to adjust one word of their Quran nor their outlandish legal directive they call Sharia Law: These two directives simply have no allowance for adjustments of any kind, period! How any logical thinking woman can allow herself to be subjected to either is beyond my comprehension other than brainwashing from birth, otherwise any self-respecting woman could not allow herself to be treated and mistreated in the way both these directives allow men to do to them. English is our Nation’s language (pass the law) we are a Christian Nation and will always be one if we are to remain America, etc. etc.
The idiots that want us to welcome the islim horde are totally wrong. When you kiss the butt of the enemy you will be the first to die.
You must stand up for America and get these invaders out of our country.
They are here to destroy America and we cannot let that happen.
Like old Rome and the rest of past history, we America s turn on our Enhanced and faster coliseum of faked news, lying politicians, sick unethical and immoral tv and radio and ignore REALITY. NOthing new under the sun!!!
The NYT can kiss my ……
I think the Left is okay with all the killings because they see it as a way of population control. Not too long ago one D senator said that abortion accomplished that goal too. We are in a war with evil now and we need many to be on our side,pray for strength,wisdom and guidance.
In every WESTERN country where Muslims are in the minority, they are obsessed with minority rights.
In every ISLAMIC country with a Muslim majority, …there are no minority rights!
islam is NOT a religion of peace!!
islam is a sick and twisted terrorist ideology that is completely incompatible with western civilization!!
Deport all muslims, CITIZENS OR not, from the west at once!!
Ban all muslims from traveling to the west, …FOREVER
Trump is correct.
Implement muslim control, NOT gun control.
Defending your person, your family, your country from attack and invasion from those forcing a violent, terrorist, genocidal ideology on western civilization…is …not … islamophobia ….or racist. ….It is just common sense.
The people of Europe, Britain and Canada must throw down their treasonous leaders forcing this evil upon them.
…………………The USA just did!
…”Pop megastar Katy Perry made an impassioned plea for people to ‘co-exist’ and said that ‘barriers’ or ‘borders’ could detract from that goal in an interview following the terrorist bombing at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester, U.K. on Monday night that claimed the lives of at least 22 people and injured dozens of others.”
>> Islam is not in the west to co-exist. It is here to dominate!
Omar Ahmad Co-Founder of CAIR: Islam in America Must Become Dominant Faith
by Bill Korach.
education-curriculum-reform-government-schools.org/w/2012/01/omar-ahmad-co-founder-cair-ahmad-says-islam-in-america-must-become-dominant-faith/
The Tampa school controversy swirling around Hassan Shibly and his Hamas affiliated organization (Council on American (Islamic Relations) CAIR has been made even sharper. It has been reveled in a July 4, 1998 news story that CAIR co-founder Omar Ahmad stated:
Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth. Lisa Gardiner, San Ramon Valley Herald, ‘American Muslim leader urges faithful to spread Islam’s message,’ July 4, 1998
These remarks by Ahmad, appear to violate the spirit of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution because they appear to say that Islam should be America’s official state religion. The Establishment Clause specifically forbids an official state religion. CAIR is supportive of an official state religion, therefore CAIR’s message is objectionable. Ten educational groups have objected to Hassan Shibly’s CAIR presentations in Tampa public schools because of Establishment Clause principles and the connection of CAIR to the terrorist organization Hamas, and the clear intent of CAIR to proselytize Islam in Tampa public schools.
The West does NOT need to allow tens of thousands of backward, 7th century, unvetted and violent muslim savages into our countries that have ‘enshrined’ sexual slavery, rape, forced conversion, murder and genocide in their FAKE religion!
Given a choice, I’ll go with smart over stupid every time. I’ll stay with the NYT.
That was a contradiction of statements.
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?
This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
Theologically – no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .
Religiously – no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Kora
Scripturally – no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically – no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially – no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically – no. Because he must submit to the mullahs, who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.
Domestically – no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34
Intellectually – no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically – no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually – no. Because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’ The Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99 excellent names.
Therefore, after much study and deliberation…Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and ‘good’ Americans. Call it what you wish, it’s still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!
Footnote:The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. Getting stuck on Stupid will get us all killed.
The Military wants this message to roll all over the U.S. Please don’t delete this until you send it on.
The only sensible solution is to Bann the Quran ( promotes killing others who are non muslim–corrosive to all multinational societies)
Tear down their Mosques ( proven Place to hide their weapons/plan Gihad). Stop all Muslim immigration. Ship any Muslim not willing to convert to accepting our constitution/life style back to their origin ( no exceptions–ticking time bomb). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e5c9008325bd121d83c9dd40eb53f1fbc3f08eeb1b942a99b0cf2b8c53842793.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/81e0fccfee04246fe682ff12ecf0ac765e67be9a561daa26cfa99dc75f52d1a1.jpg
Number 1. They are not immigrants-They are invaders. They do not belong in America and will never belong. So learn the truth about these evil beings and please Pray for America..
The total reality of it here is,Gods word has been spoken, that depicts Satan’s hatred for God Himself and man kind! Satan’s time is short and He knows it! Read the Bible especially Revelations, it tells of this very moment in which we are seeing take place. Have you heard “Wars and Rumors of Wars”, yes there has been wars for thousands of years, but not with everything else that’s going on! It’s all happening at the same time all over the planet, this is not some kind of science fiction movie being played out, this is for real! I know you all have seen the Evilness in man kind that has metastasized like a cancer, along with the curse of Homosexuality, mass murdering of the unborn babies, lawlessness, drugs, nobody willing to work any longer, they want it all free, Political Corruptness in every form, idol worship, people being lovers of everything sinful, lovers of themselves and they have lost the love for mankind and oh so much more. Our undoing is now as a Country as once was the greatest country ever in the history of the world now excepts all these things as as part of daily life style, the norm. Because this country being God Blessed with everything more so than any other country, the fall of this country will be faster and lower than any other, because we will have lost the most given to us by Our Heavenly Father! But not them that look toward the Scriptures through our Savior Jesus Christ for guidance in these most terrible times ahead! It tells of how our money will change in these days, remember the “Mark of The Beast”? We have just about made currency obsolete and with the new chip in Debit and Credit cards and soon all drivers license’s whats next? Because all these cards can be lost,stolen, so enters a Mark on your body as warned many years ago, it’s coming! Read it for yourselves, these times that I speak of, have to be, don’t forget what Jesus said. ” To enter into The Kingdom of God You Must First Be Born Again and be Baptized”! These are not my words, but Gods!
the only way i want to “engage” a Muslim is by having him standing in the front of my rifle with the sights dead on him. the only way i want to understand him is to understand that he is no longer alive to hurt anyone.
Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! The were NOT invited here, if they want to be here ,adhere to OUR laws!
Any one who believes anything they say is not using good sense.
Engage them with gunfire as soon as they arrive.
Keep them the fuck out of the country they want to destroy.
Allah FUBAR !
Yeah well go ahead and do it, but leave me out of it. IMO they need to prove to me they (Islam) is worthy of being in my country and willing to become true Americans, so far I haven’t seen that. How many of them have fought in and along side our heroes in our wars? Sharia doesn’t work here.
Some people are going to read, and worse yet, BELIEVE, newspapers. Some local papers actually print real news, but national paper editors and lowly reporters THINK they know everything and are superior to everyone, and in some things they MAY have a degree of intelligence, but when it comes to massive numbers of people they know exactly ZILCH, SQUAT, NOTHING, ZERO…..and they are so self-centered that they think they are right and the rest of the world is stupid – the exact opposite is the truth. MSM TV is exactly the same, all the peas in the same pod.
I wish enough Americans could accept truth rather than revel in lies, but I have come to the conclusion that such will never again be the same…….our nation has gone as unbelieveabely stupid as have many foreign nations. Irrationality rules the world today I am not a Christian but I think I KNOW that we are living in end times. The end of the world is approaching…….every indicator says that is so. I have no idea how long it will last, but I think I DO know that the world we have known is GONE, NEVER TO RETURN.
Perfectly right, we do need to understand them, the better to deal with them and we do need to engage them. with AR-15’s, .357 magnums and K-Bars!
Everyone need to go armed to save their own lives or the lives of others.
You had the perfect reply.
Thank you Ted Crawford.
You are welcome!
Far too many Americans simply have NO idea what the Constitution says! Despite the fact that it is only fourteen pages long, most have NEVER read it. That ignorance allows todays politicians to misrepresent it wholesale!
Our Founding Fathers, in spite of the fact that they, for the most part, suffered from a formal education, managed to also be very wise ( an anomaly the products of todays…..education(?) system). They, for example were wise enough to realize that the overwhelming majority of American Citizens, even those that could read, would not be able to comprehend ‘legalese’. Therefore, while be very succinct, they wrote the Constitution in simple language, a language almost anyone could easily understand. The Second Amendment is no exception; ‘….the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
EGRO: There are and can not ever be ANY Constitutional laws respecting the possession of Arms! According to Article VI, there can be no Statutory Laws contrary to the Constitution!
I hold our education system for most of this ignorance. when I went to school many years ago, you had Constitution in the eighth grade, senior year of college and in many fields in the Universities. Of course most Universities today thing the Constitution is irrelevant today! They come up with so called politically correct laws that were never legislated, but were forced on us all!!!
While I clearly share your opinion of little jimmy carters monstrous creation, the Department of Indoctrination, I respectfully suggest that, in a Free Society, it is the responsibility of EACH citizen to do our due diligence, with respect to the effective principles of a sustainable society! Particularly when our Library’s are accessible free of charge!
IF these Tragedies Will Stop Happening When we “open up more ” to islam / WHY is the Middle EAST not NIRVANA?
You have to wonder exactly how many of the so called reporters, journalists, etc., have actually read the Quran.
“Understand” and “engage,” REALLY???
I “understand” they want to kill us and I’ll “engage” them with my Smith and Wesson…how’s that for ya, N.Y. Times?
Yep but read and understand. Every (practicing) Islamist is subjugated to the Koran and Sharia Law and that demands they must both
.1 annihilate (by whatever means and however long it takes) all non-Islamic entities (Biblical believers, edifices and principles) not subjugated as they are, and
.2 reject and destroy any set of laws (USA’s Constitution, laws and the legislative and enforcement systems) not subjugated to Sharia law.
. To do so, all forms of lying, cheating, subterfuge, breaking of contracts, deception, murder, killings, terrorism and any anti-Biblical means that brings honor and glory to Allah (Satan) are praiseworthy to all Islamist. Hence Obama (a not so covert Muslim) and his peers never critiqued or condemned those actions unless it was ‘taqiyya’ (an approved form of deception to pretend they are offended while inwardly rejoicing and supporting such actions).
. Simply put, while many may deny it, every Islamist is a warrior and at war (to some degree) with every non-Islamist.
Too many Americans have not been educated (and have been blinded) to understand:
.1 the absolute hatred of the Islamic faith as taught in the Koran
.2 the beauty of and freedom provided our Constitution, legal system and principals of a Biblical world view.
. Every honest researcher and Biblical theologian must state that Satan authored the Koran as the antithesis to and counterfeit of God’s Bible.
For an excellent read, search “creationworldview Is Islam a Scientifically Valid Religion”.
IF one immigrates to become American, then, yes, we open our arms & welcome, no matter where they’re from, but overwhelmingly, groups are coming to America to change her – make her either an extension of where they’re from (a lot of Hispanics for instance) or a place to conquer (Muslims fit into this) or a place to use to make money abusing our markets only (I feel that many Chinese, Indians/Pakistanis fit here).
If people don’t yearn to be free, desire to become part of the American fabric, assimilate (warts & all) then they need to be “encouraged” to return to their native lands….
We understand them perfectly. They wish to make the world Muslim. They believe Mohammed will return when there is great chaos. Some believe they must create this chaos and in the process, destroy the great and little Satan – The USA and Israel. The remainder believe the chaos and destruction of the Satan’s will be accomplished by Mohammed return and they must simply wait, spread the message of Islam across the world.
Either way, ‘peaceful’ or not, they want us all converted or dead.
just like the freak oboma , telling us what we must do , i don’t have to do a dam thing you tell me to do , just like the freak oboma always telling us who and what we are , when he doesn’t have a clue on what it’s like to be an american, he better stick to the 3rd world countries ,they will believe his b/s
A good rule: if NYT endorses or supports it, I’m against it.
Here is what I found out and “KNOW” The way to ENGAGE Muslims is to Get a Koran (FREE one) and get the Sharia Law (there are 38 of them, and they are all NEGATIVE and against common sense and against women Especially 23-37) Then READ them, yes they are hard to read but do so anyway to know! Then get knowledgeable! I did and I KNOW what Muslims believe, more than most of them I have talked w/and that’s fact! I also found out that when you are armed w/the truth of what they believe they know that and will always run from the situation! Muslims are innate “COWARDS” that’s why they strap bombs on and use population expansion to overtake the countries they inhabit! (remember Desert Storm and the enmasse surrenders) I have had many a Muslim get mad and leave when I ask them the truth’s about Islam. Here’s a few: S/L no#1 It is “OBLIGATORY” for a Muslim to LIE, to further Allah’s commandments such as Jihad. S/L No#2 Jihad is defined as “WAR” against all NON-Muslims, and is the duty of all Muslims! There are NO dogs or cats in Islam, NO chess, no garlic or Unions allowed! The sun sets in a puddle of murky water. Sura 18:86 Adam, was 90 feet tall, Non-Muslims have SEVEN/7 intestines etc etc SEE Mohammed’s Believe it or Else for the ref’s It is found at Crescent Moon Pubs and is 24 pages and $3.95 GET TO KNOW who you are dealing w/and know what they believe, then you can fight the battle to come!
There was a time when the New York Times was a good American newspaper. That time has past, now it’s no better than the National Enquirer.
SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM , THIS IS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY, NOW RUN BY JEWS!!!!!!!!!SEND THEM BACK TO RUSSIA !!!!!!!!!!!
If this is a Christian country run by Jews, what is the problem, they are all praying to a Jew?
No, This is America. If you come to America to enjoy the fruits it has to offer you must assimilate into our Society. Muslims must understand us and engage our way of life. They must denounce Sharia Law and accept our Constitution that Americans live by. I will not give an inch on this and you can print this New York Times from an American who bleeds Red White and Blue.
“ENGAGE” with M-16’s
The NYT is out of touch with reality!! Muslims have no intention of understanding our culture, trying to assimilate, nor learning our language. Why should we try to understand them??? They have no business here, accept to harass us and try to drive us out of our own country! The NYT must be owned by a Muslim!
There is only one way to engage them. If you don’t adopt our customs and way of life as all other immigrants from all other parts of the world did than send them back to where they came from. We had a great song during the second world war, it went something like this ” If you don’t like your uncle Sammy if you don’t like the red white and blue go back to where you came from don’t bite the hand that’s feeding you”. that goes for all you socialists no matter what other banner you are hiding under.
Why is it we must understand and engage when it is them that came here, I believe it should be the other way around. When I visit other countries I am the one who strives to understand and engage myself into their customs, language, traditions and culture, but then I’m not writing for some liberal pos newspaper either.
I think the problem that the left has is that they believe that all the terrorist atrocities attributed to Muslims is just a bizarre coincidence. It just as easily could have been Hindus, Christians, Buddhists, Shintos or Jews.
However, this fact remains:
The Manchester Bomber was a Muslim
The Orlando Airport Shooter was a Muslim
The Orlando Pulse Nightclub Shooter was a Muslim
The San Bernadino killers were Muslims
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan US, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims.
Coincidence? You be the judge.
The N.Y. Times has switched its allegiance to Allah. When will it be published in Arabic?
The Muslims have only one way of assimilation! They invade target countries, demand the countries change the country’s laws to make their beliefs legal, demand all non Muslims convert or die! Take a look around the world! Look at the Phillipines, Look at Pakistan and India, Georgia! Just a few of their take overs. As the people if they’re free? Of course not Muslims are never free!
Most of them are Not here for a better life, they are here to CONQUER!! Got it? Take a look at Sweden, London England, Europe and the USA. Where there’s a muslim there’s a problem.
I have lived and worked in three countries outside of the United States.
In EVERY instance it was my responsibility to be sensitive to and understand my host county’s customs and traditions.
If one wants to come to the USA as either an immigrant or a refugee, it is then that persons responsibility to assimilate into our society, not the reverse.
My grandfather immigrated to the USA from Norway and upon setting foot on US soil said this now my new country and will speak ONLY it’s language (English – of a sort).
If you don’t want to assimilate or at least try to speak English, don’t come or go back from where you came.
We must understand all immigrants but MORE IMPORTANTLY they must understand us before they get here and if they do not want to be true Americans do not come here. As far as not leaving Muslims in, think about it!! Have you ever STUDIED their religeon and read the Koran, etc? Besides that there is NO WAY to VET them before allowing them in.!!!
Common sense, but then that is outlawed now!!
Wrong answer they must engage and understand us. Just as I would have to understand and learn the language the customs and culture if I lived in their country. They should be expected to do the same in my country. Or they should not live here.
Total leftwing libtard BS from the NY Times, but what else would one expect from them.
Phil in TX
I agree. I will do my best to understand and engage them as long as they stay in their home country, or in Europe. They do not want to be Americans. There is no reason to welcome them here. I just cannot feel that magnanimous toward them. Let the open borders Europeans try to keep that mobs under control. We have seen the destruction and heartache they can cause wherever they have been welcomed. Send me a smoke signal. I will do my best to understand. I may even send one back just to engage you. Otherwise. . .
AMERICA FIRST
The NY Times is a liberal biased rag- anyone with common sense will ignore its preachings:
CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?
This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.
Can a good Muslim be a good American?
Theologically – no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .
Religiously – no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Kora
Scripturally – no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.
Geographically – no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially – no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically – no. Because he must submit to the mullahs, who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.
Domestically – no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34
Intellectually – no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically – no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually – no. Because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’ The Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99 excellent names.
Therefore, after much study and deliberation…Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both ‘good’ Muslims and ‘good’ Americans. Call it what you wish, it’s still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.
The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!
Footnote:The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. Getting stuck on Stupid will get us all killed.
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The only sensible solution is to Bann the Quran ( promotes killing others who are non muslim–corrosive to all multinational societies)
Tear down their Mosques ( proven Place to hide their weapons/plan Gihad). Stop all Muslim immigration. Ship any Muslim not willing to convert to accepting our constitution/life style back to their origin ( no exceptions–ticking time bomb). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e5c9008325bd121d83c9dd40eb53f1fbc3f08eeb1b942a99b0cf2b8c53842793.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/44f84322bc126eb94e9aac7be8c0cf5c6240402c93596c03da8066ab6e5c3922.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/517edc3efff617573854ef75b09c7aabbef0edb0205aa3a50e7935051695fdac.jpg
fuck the ny times–they should go to islam land and see what happens to them
What a ludicrous steaming cartload of unmitigated tripe!
We better learn the evidence in http://www.GodAuthoredBible.com and then study, understand and teach that every (practicing) Islamist is subjugated to the Koran and Sharia Law and that demands they must both
.1 annihilate (by whatever means and however long it takes) all non-Islamic entities (Biblical believers, edifices and principles) not subjugated as they are, and
.2 reject and destroy any set of laws (USA’s Constitution, laws and the legislative and enforcement systems) not subjugated to Sharia law.
. To do so, all forms of lying, cheating, subterfuge, breaking of contracts, deception, murder, killings, terrorism and any anti-Biblical means that brings honor and glory to Allah (Satan) are praiseworthy to all Islamist. Hence Obama (a not so covert Muslim) and his peers never critiqued or condemned those actions unless it was ‘taqiyya’ (an approved form of deception to pretend they are offended while inwardly rejoicing and supporting such actions).
. Simply put, while many may deny it, every Islamist is a warrior and at war (to some degree) with every non-Islamist.
Too many Americans have not been educated (and have been blinded) to understand:
.1 the absolute hatred of the Islamic faith as taught in the Koran
.2 the beauty of and freedom provided our Constitution, legal system and principals of a Biblical world view.
. Every honest researcher and Biblical theologian must state that Satan authored the Koran as the antithesis to and counterfeit of God’s Bible.
For an excellent read, search “creationworldview Is Islam a Scientifically Valid Religion”
“Engage” them with loud noises and extermination. They fail to understand any other form of communication.
It is articles like this from the New York Times that PROVE that the newspaper industry is dead. Only an IDIOT would invite people into their homes who want to KILL them.
Muslims are not peaceful people , look at their countries of origin . All the countries are battlefields they have been at war for centuries , They cannot live in peace ,even at home they beat their wives and daughters into submission .That is probably why the women have to keep their faces covered , to cover all the bruises.
Ask the Coptic Christians in Eqypt about “understanding” and “engaging” Muslims. Read the tragic and heartbreaking article in today’s WSJ. It will tell you all you need to know about “peaceful” ISLAM. The only thing you should ask about a Muslim is “Are they in range?”
Until I see Muslims by thousands in the streets
condeming terrrorism and denouncing ISIS and all the other terrorist groups and those that support
them they can all go to hell!
We must remove them totally from our blessed country and we must do it quickly and now…There is no room in America for any Muslim ever…Send them across the ocean where they came from.
We must put Obama in Gitmo now for bringing them here and for his treason totally and his fake presidency. We must open those records and Pelosi and Reid must pay a price for giving him the pass on citizenship.
the only thing I have to do is pay taxes and die – the last thing I am interested in doing is validating the will of an entity that wants to compromise my free will at the cost of my life
Islam is cancer. Read the truth here: http://totallyright.us/home/2017/4/11/islamic-cancer-spreading-and-theyre-pushing-for-a-religious-war-with-christians-worldwide
Today I went to supermarket to buy some Mixed Nuts, one was $5.75 and another similar but cheaper was $3. I presumed that I picked up the $3 one, so during the self checkout, when it showed the price as $5.75 (instead of my assumed $3) I asked one Indian girl over there who in turn asked one Muslim (from the Indo continent, a Paki, Bangla or may be Indo) assistant to check the price, he come back and flatters me that he can do it for $3 (I guess he thought I might be one of his Muslim crap) and I said no, I don’t want any favor, but as price was (my assumed) supposed to be $3. He than says that he is allowed to correct the price as well as make it free if they (stores) make a mistake and indeed the item was $3 and not $5.75 (as per him) and so it was their (store’s) mistake (again as per him, the Muslim one). So I checked out paying $3 for the actual $5.75 item with his help (I am ignorant till this point as he made it store’s price mistake). Yet I was skeptical, so after paying and before leaving I asked to be spoken to the manager, and I got a nice old white lady Wendy, and explained to her that I have paid $3 for a $5.75 item when scanned with help and price correction from that Indo Muslim. She checked again and price really was $5.75 and I exchanged the item for the similar but $3 item. She said that she will speak to that Muslim guy and I left.
Now imagine, just by assuming that I was somehow his type, Muslim crap like him and his Muslim brotherhood did not prevent him from committing a crime (by manipulating price for his assumed Muslim type bro) in broad daylight, betraying the stores and his employer for his Muslim religion, giving no shit for any civic sense or rules, this was definitely not the first time or once he had done this, he might be doing this for a long time for his Muslim crap poop brothers for a long time … This are Muslims, these are Indo poops and Punjob type guys, this is their reality … Wake up white guys and gals .. They are backstabbing you in front of everyone in broad-daylight