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Now Democrats Have an Opening to REALLY Bring Socialized Healthcare to U.S.
Posted On 20 Jul 2017
Republicans have now tried and failed, for the second time, to bring their version of Obamacare repeal-and-replace to a floor vote. And, when you consider what the latest version of the bill entailed, it’s not out of line to suggest that maybe their failure was for the best. After all, as several of the more conservative senators pointed out, there was a hell of a lot of the OLD healthcare law included in the new one. It was not, certainly, a full repeal of Obamacare by any stretch of the imagination. And bafflingly, even in its most impotent, state-expanding form, it was still too CONSERVATIVE for a few Republicans to wrap their minds around. Which should tell you quite a lot about the current state of the GOP.
But the question remains: What now?
President Trump is not giving up. He is putting additional pressure on Congress to come through on their promise to voters. But the fact remains that there is a seemingly unbridgeable divide between the various factions of the party. Slide the bill towards the more conservative end of the spectrum and you lose Susan Collins. Slide it towards the liberal end, and you lose Ted Cruz. And those two are just examples, because there are plenty of other Republican senators who have yet to see a bill that satisfies whatever they need to see to bring them to a “yes” vote.
Which leaves…?
Working with Democrats.
And THIS is where Mitch McConnell, Trump, Paul Ryan, and the rest of the GOP leadership must be very, very careful. It’s one thing to simply keep Obamacare in place. It’s quite another to organize a federal bailout for insurance companies in order to stabilize the failing markets. And it’s quite another INDEED to begin entertaining the BIG IDEA – the one Democrats have been quietly salivating over while Republicans fight their way to roadblock after roadblock.
From The Atlantic:
Emboldened by Hillary Clinton’s 2016 defeat, and the Republican effort to dismantle former President Barack Obama’s signature health-care law, progressive lawmakers and activists are trying to move single payer into the party mainstream. There are signs the idea is winning traction: For the first time ever, a majority of House Democrats have signed up to support “Medicare for all” single-payer legislation, a threshold crossed in the aftermath of the presidential election. A number of influential Senate Democrats have also expressed support for single payer in the midst of the current Republican health-care push, which is now in doubt as Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell pushes for an Obamacare repeal vote.
“If you’re serious about real health-care reform, it has got to be on the agenda, and I would hope that as many Democrats as possible support it,” Senator Bernie Sanders said in a recent interview after a rally against the GOP health-care bill in Kentucky, where he promised that “as soon as we defeat this terrible Republican proposal,” he would introduce his own Medicare-for-all legislation. “It’s going to be a tough fight,” Sanders said, “but it is a fight that has to be waged, because it is the only rational solution to the health-care crisis that we face.”
As The Atlantic signals, the idea – borrowed from our increasingly-socialized allies in Canada and Europe – has gone mainstream within the ranks of the Democratic Party. Al Gore made headlines this week when he endorsed the idea in a speech in New York City on Tuesday.
“The private sector has not shown any ability to provide good, affordable healthcare for all,” Gore said. “I believe we out to have single-payer healthcare.”
Republicans, including the president, appear to understand how disastrous this would be for U.S. healthcare, to say nothing of the economy. Then again, they seemed to understand for years that it was not an option to keep Obamacare around. Things change.
This entire fiasco should be included in every conservative manual from here on out to demonstrate the dangers of letting a state-expanding entitlement take root. The left’s programs ALWAYS, ALWAYS fail, and the answer is ALWAYS, ALWAYS to double down on exactly what made the original disaster so terrible.
Obamacare was designed to fail so it would usher in “single payer, government run socialized healthcare.”
Success is almost here!
Obamacare was also passed to rid the country of the middle class. Their cost of insurance and medical care with this bill will soon destroy us. Who can afford over $250 a week for health care with large co-pays? If the republicans do nothing about it now the spineless wonders will destroy us. Give the gov’t control of your health and make people dependent on them and they have total control of the people. Everything is in place you are correct.
Tell me about it, first year alone $20K out of pocket and that DID NOT include premiums!!
Ovomit “”UN”Affordable “LACK” of Care Act”!! Tell me again just how F–KING good it is!
My family’s wasn’t quite as bad as yours. It was $17,000 out of pocket and premiums of over $900 a month. Luckily once the co-pays were met they were able to go to the Dr. no charge for the rest of the year. Gee lucky people only cost around $29,000 out of pocket and yet my liberal friends will say “Oh that’s just one example”. Look how many more have health care now. Middle class gets destroyed and the game plan goes on.
From what I’ve read it’s still about the same # without health care!! Either people can’t afford it, therefore don’t purchase it or whatever!
Remember, “Figures lie and “LIARS” figure” or something like that! Bottom line! Pure Unadulterated, freshly dumped BULLSHIT!!
I sincerely believe that the new uninsured were the insured. They can’t afford to buy it anywhere so they go without. They have to pay fines though for not being able to afford it. Hence the middle class becomes the new lower class. Another way of distributing the wealh?? Yeah that’s a great plan for who??
And once government has control of your health, they also obtain everything about your person BECAUSE MOST OF YOUR LIFE IS ON YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE PAPERS. Our government is so totally out of control and crooked as a dog’s hind leg, that I have lost all respect for the entire pack.
Totally agree!
BINGO!
Charlie — One must be careful for what he wishes … as he may just get it and rues his ignorance or stupidity as a consequence .
Instability and anarchy is the ‘ALINSKY’ goal for a communist revolution.
That is what Obama wants.
Rules for Radicals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
Me too! ??
I meant to say …
“One must be careful for what he wishes … as he may just get it and HE rues his ignorance or stupidity as a consequence.”
This naturally suggests the idea of unintended consequences.
That is OK. I also strongly suspect that you are not yet ready to consider the ideas that the enlightened ones provided.
I can, for the moment, suggest you familiarize yourself with Machiavelli’s “Discourse on Livy” and Flavius Vegetius Renatus’ book “De Re Militari (best in the original Latin if you can find it and can read Latin).
Can you do that?
Putidum, non sumus?
Videndum puto delictum.
I apologize for the delayed response. I fell asleep watching the Toronto v. Ottawa CFL game last night,
But instability and anarchy is the ‘ALINSKY’ goal to usher in a communist revolution.
That is what Obama wants.
Rules for Radicals
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
Repeal Obamacare……..like Trump promised.
No fix, no replacement!
Get the Government OUT of Healthcare.
Just open competition across state lines and stay the hellll away!
i thought you were a liberal!
No, he is a Progressive. This is just his sick attempt to throw ever more garbage on the table.
His statement suggests he is, like the Founding Fathers, a classical liberal.
Today we call ourselves centrist Libertarians (not anarchists, not authoritarians). Most people would characterize us as Ultra-Conservatives.
Sol, the founders were actually freedom fighters. Other labels occurred later. At that time America was being ruled by appointed governors whom were appointed by Parliament which was elected by persons whom lived in England. Many of the appointees were politically connected and wanted to make themselves and their parliamentary connection richer. It became evident to the colonists that laws being specially made to govern them were made with no care for the colonists! A number of efforts were made to correct the matter, but they were all ignored. A truly democratic government was first visualized, but didn’t work, so a Republican form of government was developed to make government favorable to all! This has been amended several times, and is rapidly evolving into a socialistic society. As we grow closer to that goal, we necessarily give up freedoms once held so precious to our founders. Socialism came into being in the late 1800’s and continues today. In Socialism the government controls everything. Nazi socialism for instance allowed private ownership, but the government determined what you could do with it. Most socialistic governments control most actions and property. At this time, America is well on it’s way!
Socialism came into existence in the mid 19th century. It was a factor in the 1849 rebellion against the European monarchies. My family lost 30,000 acres of property in Italy as a consequence – they were literally taxed out of existence. Thank you Mr. Marx.
Outside of that I shall not quibble over minor details.
The Republican form was borrowed from the Roman Republic and improved upon by the enlightened ones (aka the Framers of the Constitution).
I agree, sir, Socialists are authoritarian by nature and totalitarian in practice. They seek to control everything. All I can say is they are “dumb bastijos”.
From 1990 to present the tide has turned against those who understand the Republic and what it represents.
Because some individuals have inherent leadership abilities there is a natural tendency for isolated social groups to evolve into tribes. The equivalent, as societies become larger and more hierarchical, is a feudal society. At some level of imposed control (and imposed taxation) this leads to revolt, e.g. Runnymede, the American Revolution – both of which were resistance of people to excessive control and taxation (for which Prince John earned a certain fame although it was King Richard who had spent the money). As we can see in the current situation, one foreseen by Thomas Jefferson, one expressed in the Second Amendment, the relationship between government and the people shows a marked tendency to devolve once again into a National Feudalism – upon which we now place the name Socialism, but which still involves taking from the peasants as much of what they make as feasible, deciding what they need, and redistributing it to them while greatly enriching the empowered aristocracy.
Charlie is a real independent who forms his own conclusions outta his own life experiences, I respectfully disagree with most of them. BUT!! Y’all’s attempts 2 pigeonhole him say more about U than about him.
I am a strong conservative, and I totally agree that government should get OUT of healthcare. I personally believe their interference in private industry is unconstitutional and illegal, which no politician cares a whit about anyway. Next time around we conservatives should get together ahead of time and no matter who the Party runs, WE ELECT OUR CHOICE WE DECIDED ON MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME. Neither Party is worthy of a single vote, and I believe that’s what we should give them – NO VOTES.
I’ve been saying for quite a few years now that there should be 3 candidate boxes, 4 if an Independent runs! It should have one for the D’s, one for the R’s and if by chance one for the I’s!
The 4th/ remaining box should state “None of the above as ALL choices “SUCK”!! They only put forth candidates they feel have a good chance of winning NOT NECESSARILY a GOOD candidate yet you can bet your next several paychecks the candidate will be a party lapdog!!
Many of ’em DO suck, and many of us know it. “None of the above,” lines on ballots could very well leave us without any office holders at all.
But it is both an interesting and unworkable idea for a Republic.
In addition 2 being interesting and unworkable, it’s also a quite amusing notion. It highlights the overall dis-satisfaction Americans are experiencing around our actual political choices.
Over 40% of eligible people didn’t vote last November, even amid all the excitement, which kinda loosely corresponds to, “None of the above.” It also brings the notion that, “Lesser evil can B a net good thing,” into sharp focus.
With 40% staying home you would think the parties would see to it that better candidates would be presented for election . Plus the Primary should be held on one day and not dragged out nation wide .This 2 year crap needs to be stopped , 3 month for the primary and 3 month for the final election . 6 month total , the day of the horse and buggy are gone .
The duopoly parties, in so many ways just wings of a single corporatist party, R really tightly restrained in what candidates they’ll allow 2 B on November ballots. That leads 2 some pretty unattractive choices.
As 4 shortening campaign periods, good luck with that. A bad point of our free speech traditions and First Amendment, is that it leaves us unable to stop campaigning, by anyone, at any time.
Why, President Trump has already announced that he’s running again in 2020, and has held campaign style rallies.
Yah I hear you , had company this year from the EU and thy have limits on campaigning 6 Month and none of this two year crap which prevents congress from doing their job . That would not have anything to do with Free speech if such a law was passed for the good of the USA .
Obama started running for president upon being elected to the Senate and has been campaigning ever since and still continues even after leaving office. Unfortunately for America Obama pitched Hope and Change. What no one knew is he hoped to change America into a 3rd world Muslim country. Obama is the most corrupt and damaging president in history.
He served us astonishingly well, (particularly in view of being an establishment Golden Boy, and as 4 personal mercenary corruption, he was squeaky-clean.
I thought we were discussing how campaigning can be restrained while complying with our free-speech traditions.
You are correct only in that Obama’s was never convicted for his total corruption because he was protected by the most corrupt Department of Justice in history. AG Eric Holder HAD to resign because of fast and furious DOJ gun sales to Mexican Drug Cartels that evidence supports were responsible for US Border Patrol deaths. AG Loretta Lynch codntinued to protect Holder & Obama from prosecution. Obama directed the IRS to delay, deferr, deny tax exemption status to political opponents. Lois Lerner Again was protected by the corrupt Obama DOJ. Obama’s corruption is still being uncovered as more facts come to light about the NSA illegal surveillance of US citizens that dared to have opposing opinions from Obama’s failed policies. No need to go into the sins of the Clinton Crime Family and its Criminal Foundation as that has been fully documented. Obama claimed Hillary as the most qualified presidential candidate ever. Total corrupt liar.
And you have the unmitigated gall to claim h was squeaky clean!!! Ridiculous! Obama is the golden boy protected by the dishonest MSM (read that as DNC press agents) and a throughly corrupt DOJ.
Obama’s legacy is summed up in one word: CORRUPT!!!!!
Empirically, it is not candidates good for the country that gain votes, it’s charismatic candidates that do a good job of being candidates, e.g. Hitler and Obama. Campaign promises, telling the people what they want to hear, buy them the votes. “If you like your plan, this won’t affect you. You can keep the plan you have” “We’re going to reduce the cost of health care. We’re going to increase its availability” (a contradiction in economics – making more costs more) -or- “We’re going to defund Obamacare” We’re going to repeal Obamacare” “We’re going to tear it out, root and branch.” In other words, total lies the public wants to hear are what gets people into office. The majority of Republicans in office are Big Government Progressives. Government managed everything is their Holy Grail, a return to Feudalism on a national scale.
This is true except for the Fact that congress is blocking Trump from going forward . Congress is Blocking the repeal , remember who they are come 2018 election .
Hell that would be great no one to screw the people anymore.
Aha!! Now that I got a lot of peoples attention to what I posted, here’s what I didn’t post to round it out!!! “IF” they put the “they ALL suck” on the ballot, then there should be a stipulation that in the event that should happen, then the people in office get a 2, 3, 6 month extension till BOTH parties or at least 1 can come up with a “VIABLE CANDIDATE”! Worthy of voting for!!
I, for one, am sick and Mo—r F–king TIRED of voting for the lesser of 2 evils! In the past election, IMHO, we FINALLY got a candidate that while NOT a Saint was head and shoulders above the Beitch!!
The F–king DemoCRAPZ thought they had a shoe in with the voter fraud being perpetuated across the Country and “HELL YES” there was plenty of it!! They still, “THANK GOD ALMIGHTY”, lost!!
Trump brought up the voter FRAUD issue and the DemoCRAPS VEHEMENTLY cried OH NO, never would or will happen!! HildaBEAST gets her BIG A– handed to her and what do the DemoCRAPS cry??? VOTER FRAUD, Ruskkies corrupted the election!! WTH over!!! Either there was in fact NO VOTER FRAUD or yes there was!! Which was it??? You, the DemoCRAPZ said HELL NO initially but when the Benghazi Beitch lost now it’s VOTER FRAUD! ??????????
Even if one is allowed to vote either “R” or “D” and “THEY ALL SUCK” should also be allowed as a rider of sorts just to let the F–king A–HOLES know that the American people truly think and do firmly believe that “THEY BOTH SUCK”!!
Thanks 4 the “like.” Right and Left agree, that for the most part THEY BOTH, indeed. SUCK!
The center is the same as left.
Why? Because they have a higher regard 4 verifiable fact than anybody’s or somebody’s inchoate Biblical construction?
Don’t U C your attitude that, “Everyone’s against REAL patriots like me!” condemns U to status as part of a permanent political minority, probably a shrinking one at that?
What a grand idea!!! I LOVE IT! How many of us “NEED” reps who do not represent us at all at any time?
I’m old now, and have come 2 realize that I’ve led a really charmed life, starting, WAY back in the O-O-O-L-L-L-D-D-D 20th Century. I count the way I’m currently being represented in Congress among identifiable blessings.
If U think that being poorly represented is bad, wait ’til U try being un-represented.
besides the “NONE OF THE ABOVE” there should be a mandate that no election is to be held as valid where less than 50% +1 of ALL REGISTERED VOTERS have voted, OTHERWISE that election is null and void! In the last twenty years the total number of Registered Voters that have voters has declined year after year, in 2016 it was 56.8% of all REGISTERED VOTERS DID NOT VOTE! Considering how well the different parties represent the average American Citizen it is NO WONDER THAT MOST of the Voters stay at home! If none of the above had been available in 2016 there would still be a vacancy in the White House BECAUSE THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY WINNER since all of the candidate were, are, and always will be, LOSERS!
The gap between “should” and “is” continues 2 widen, and adding ballot lines like the ones we’re discussing would require amendments 2 state and/or federal constitutions.
…and one more selection box, NONE OF THE ABOVE
Americans should have the right to REJECT the pre-selected party sycophants that prostitute themselves to an Un-American globalist agenda for campaign money instead of the welfare of American citizens.
Usually those options put Democrats in the majority.
Well we could go to Washington D.C and hang every bastard in the House and Senate.
I’ll drink to that!!
Those angry old white men (i.e., the Founders) would be appalled to observe the government interfering in such clearly civil affairs.
Repeal at the very least, effective by the end of calendar year 2018 is essential.
Taxpayers should not bail out insurance companies the foolishly participated – they’ve already profited by the initial money grab.
I do not understand how my fellow citizens cannot grasp that which you clearly see.
Regards.
To be a citizen you must first be a patriot. Democrats and e/GOP RINO’s are neither!
Stupid people do vote that’s why we have Obamacare.Stupid people voting.
Peeeeelosi is perfect proof of that with , we must vote for it to see what is in it .
The “bailout” to which insurers agreed is written into the ACA law, entails no money from the treasury, is limited to the profits of successful insurers and has expired anyway. Not to be overlooked: The startup “seed” loan of five billion is still owed the Treasury, there’s a matter of six billion that was taken from Medicare and there’s also capital resources stolen from other programs. Obamacare, counter to Obama’s promises, has been a huge money hole. All the Democrats (and apparently a lot of the Republicans who campaigned otherwise) are dedicated to keeping it – because it enlarges government control of the peons at their own expense, which I suspect to have been its original intent.
As much as I like a good debate, I cannot disagree with your presentation.
The US should just adopt the Canadian Healthcare system if nothing else. Its working and proven and about one half the cost of our outlays for health. Trump is lying about the ACA “Obamacare,” one of the charges was that American consumers will end up hating the coverage they receive through the reform law. And for those ACA detractors looking for something, anything, to bolster their contempt for the law, I’m afraid I have more bad news: Americans who received coverage through Obamacare tend to be quite pleased with the results. Obamacare customers nationally also tended to be more satisfied with their plans bought in 2014 than people who primarily have traditional job-based health coverage – the majority of those with insurance – the study by the J.D. Power market research company found
In the real world, the ACA(Obamacare) would just be fixed if there are any problems with it. But the Right wing Republicans are so racist and fought Obama for 8 years on everything that they could, can’t stand the thought that Pres. Obama would get credit for anything that might enhance his legacy. Thus the ACA repeal fight. What is so sick is that the Republicans aren’t a bit embarrassed that they are taking billions out of Medicaid and at same time giving billions to the higher incomes in tax breaks. Their programs are based on myths and lies and disregard for public health. The very simple solution to this whole mess is make Medicaid a public option or single payer to everyone under 65. Plans in place and has been for years, Get rid of all the deductions and large copays if any, Deduction’s and copays only purpose is to discourage people from using their health care. Using Medicaid for single payer or public option, It lets the states to have some skin in the game. Considering all the money the Government gives to private insurance, Medicaid would probably give people better coverage at a cheaper price There would be a small premium that would increase according to your income. No need to have customized policies, Just a standard policy understanding much like now for Medicaid and Medicare. The ACA rules would apply in most cases and if there is a limit on who can qualify it could be 4 x the poverty level. or even beyond. at an increased premium. All Medicare should be of the Medicare advantage type or Part D as it is called It is a Medicaid expansion, but it replaces everything else and its in place and ready to go. Over the 133% of the poverty level. individual’s can pay a small premium and increased based on their income and some increase based on age up to 65. A formula could be worked out. The main thing is get rid of the deductibles and high copays, which only are use to discourage you from using your insurance and defeats the purpose of preventive medicine actually adding to the cost of healthcare. The Medical and pharmaceutical companies have been draining(raping) our treasury for way to long. They have no business in public healthcare. Medicare Advantage done for all should be in house as well. SS just raise SS pay in from 127,000 to One million. Should take a look at the Canada retirement system as well.
The Canadian Healthcare system is a socialist failure.
Canadians come to the US for faster competent care.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care
http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/number-of-canadian-patients-travelling-abroad-for-treatment-increased-by-25-study-finds/wcm/fd7f9f40-ea48-4422-bb97-520174d8324a
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/health-care-baby-boomers-macdonald-1.3833563
You have been reading to much fake news, misinformation and myths about the Canada system. Canada’s health care system is best described as a collection of plans administered by the 10 provinces and 3 territories, each differing from the others in some respects but similarly structured to meet the federal conditions for funding. The simplicity of the five federal conditions is arguably one of the beauties of the Canadian system. They are the provision of all medically necessary services (defined as most physician and hospital services), the public administration of the system, the portability of coverage throughout Canada, the universal coverage of all citizens and residents, and the absence of user charges at the point of care for core medical and hospital services.
Each province (and territory) has a number of options for financing its share of the cost for its health insurance plan. Some provinces have opted to finance their health insurance costs through the payment of premiums; other provinces and territories have chosen to finance their shares through various taxes and/or other revenue streams:
Each province and territory has considerable leeway in determining how its share of the cost of its health insurance plan will be financed. Financing can be through the payment of premiums (as is the case in Alberta and British Columbia), payroll taxes, sales taxes, other provincial or territorial revenues, or by a combination of methods. Health insurance premiums are permitted as long as residents are not denied coverage for medically necessary hospital and physician services because of an inability to pay such premiums.
Provinces that levy premiums have also instituted premium assistance schemes that are based on income, and those who cannot afford to pay premiums may apply for assistance through the provincial health insurance plans.
A family of two living in the province of British Columbia would pay in monthly Medical Service Plan (MSP) premiums for a family of 2.
The highest federal income tax rate in Canada is 29% (for persons with annual taxable income over $120,887), and the highest provincial income tax rate in British Columbia is 14.7% (for those with annual taxable incomes over over $95,909). The typical upper-income level Canadian taxpayer is not in a 55% tax bracket.
By way of comparison, a typical upper-income level American taxpayer residing in California pays a roughly equivalent share of his income in federal and state taxes, even though the U.S. has no national health insurance program.
As noted above, any broad statement about Canada’s health insurance program is difficult to assess because Canada has a number of different provincial/territorial programs, not one national program. Wait times for medical procedures in particular can vary quite widely across provinces, cities, and individual hospitals, and of course wait times can also vary widely depending upon the type of procedures involved. What was not found was any study demonstrating that doctors in Canada are more likely to issue prescriptions in lieu of performing more thorough diagnoses than doctors in any other western countries are. An important factor to consider in this area (one which is not unique to Canada) was reported in a 1997 British Medical Journal article which noted that studies have found patients often report dissatisfaction with their doctors if they don’t receive prescriptions as a result of office visits, even if prescriptions are not the best course of treatment for their health issues.
A 2005 survey conducted by the College of Family Physicians of Canada, the Canadian Medical Association, and the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada reported that “more than 4 million Canadians do not have access to a family doctor.” This figure represented about 12% of the 2005 population of Canada.
Note that the term “family doctor” as used here refers to a family (or general) practitioner. Thus the statement “some Canadians do not have family doctors” does not simply mean those persons see a number of different physicians instead regularly visiting the same physician; it means they do not have access to physicians who specifically practice family medicine.
As with other kinds of medical care, emergency room treatment wait times can vary quite widely from province to province, region to region, and hospital to hospital.
A 2005-2006 study of Ontario emergency departments conducted by the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) found the following:
Ninety per cent of patients who went to major teaching hospitals were seen within nine hours while the vast majority of patients who sought care at busy community hospitals (those with more than 30,000 emergency visits per year) concluded their visits within 7-1/2 hours.
Waits were shorter in less busy community hospitals, where 90 per cent of patients spent three hours or less seeking and receiving emergency care. But only 30 per cent of people in need of help went to these smaller institutions. Seventy per cent sought assistance at either the busier community hospitals or teaching institutions, where waits were two or three times longer.
The good news for the extremely ill is that 50 per cent of patients who require the most urgent care were seen by a doctor within six minutes and 86 per cent were seen within 30 minutes of arrival in emergency departments.
Geography clearly mattered in terms of wait times, according to the study data. People in the Toronto area, where 90 per cent of patients were in and out in just under 12 hours, faced the longest delays.
The shortest waits were in the Sudbury-Sault Ste. Marie area, where 90 per cent of patients finished their visit to hospital emergency departments in about 4-1/2 hours
Still citing Buzzfeed?!!!Anyways do you still have a positive opinion of Linda Sarsour and have you heard of what Kathy Griffin did in addition to Bill Nye being idiotic?
Linda is entitled to her opinion like anyone else. She is someone who I don’t pay a lot of attention to . Kathy Griffin is a comedian and one should actually hand Trump his head before he ruins the country. As for Bill Nye, I find him to be entertaining, whats your beef with him. some of Bill Nye’s accomplishments over the years. He’s had a pretty crazy life. These are 11 of the coolest things Bill Nye ever did.
1. He Invented an Airplane Part
Before he became The Science Guy we all know, Bill Nye was a mechanical engineer at Boeing. While he was there, he invented the hydraulic pressure resonance suppressor tube used in 747 airplanes. What is that? Well, it’s also called a ripple dampener or a pulsation dampener. From what I can dig up, it minimizes the effect of vibrations that get introduced into the system. So next time you get to fly on one of those big planes, remember that Bill Nye is part of why you’re having such a comfortable flight.
2. Quit His Engineering Job to Pursue Comedy… Because He Resembled Steve Martin
Bill Nye performing stand-up on Seattle public access television
All through his college and early professional life, Bill Nye was told he was just like Steve Martin. Enough people thought so that Nye entered and won a Seattle Steve Martin lookalike contest. Soon, he was impersonating Steve Martin at parties, which led to him trying stand-up at local open mic nights. His wacky sense of humor got him a gig writing jokes for a radio host, leading him to quit Boeing and eventually join the cast of the Seattle late night sketch show, Almost Live!.
3. Taught Seattle (and the World) How to Pronounce “Gigawatt”
After Back to the Future came out, most people pronounced the word as “Jiggawatt.” Bill Nye first corrected a radio host’s pronunciation, which led to a regular call-in science fact segment on the show. Later, during a segment on Almost Live, he corrected host John Keister’s pronunciation of the word, and Keister replied, “Who are you, Bill Nye the science guy?” As we all know, the name stuck. Bill Nye the Science Guy became a recurring segment on the show, paving the way for his children’s television hit.
4. Invented a Ballet Shoe
Even long after his job at Boeing, Bill Nye remained a mechanical engineer. While filming an episode about bones and muscles, he visited the Pacific Northwest Ballet. Seeing 22-year-old women who’d had multiple foot surgeries got him thinking about how toe shoes hadn’t changed in centuries. He designed a shoe that included a toe box. The box enclosed and protected the dancer’s toe while providing more support along the sole. Nye’s invention made it safer and more sustainable for ballet dancers to perform en pointe.
5. Taught Us About Static Electricity with the Rocking Wig of Science
We all loved Bill Nye the Science Guy for its wacky humor, fast pace and unbridled enthusiasm for pure science. The coolest parts were when we got to watch Nye play around with science toys (all of which were named, “The X of Science”). During the episode on static electricity, he brought out the Rocking Wig of Science. He built up static electricity into a metal ball, then touched the ball to allow the electrons to flow through him. Since electrons are all negatively charged, they repelled and caused his ’80s hair metal wig (of science) to stand on end. It was even cooler when he used a second metal ball to direct the electricity off of him, causing his hair to fall and an arc to form.
6. Created a Fire Tornado
While most of Bill Nye’s experiments could be easily repeated by kids at home, the most exciting demonstrations were the ones that absolutely could not. That’s why the Chemical Reactions episode is one of the best. It’s filled with examples of science’s greatest pursuit: blowing stuff up. The coolest moment of the show was where he created a fire tornado with Full House’s Candace Cameron. Was there an easier way to explain how fire is a chemical reaction? Probably. But none as memorable as this.
7. Treated Real Life Scientists Like Rock Stars
Every show featured a different “Way Cool Scientist” that helped explain the concepts being taught that episode, and showed us their real world applications. These segments really brought home the message that science was cool, and could lead to some pretty fun jobs when we grew up. Bill Nye probably created more future scientists than anyone else with these segments.
8. Helped Invent a Sundial Used on Mars Rovers
Bill Nye continue making valuable contributions to science and engineering even after his show. When NASA designed the technology used on the Mars Rovers, Bill Nye assisted in the development of a sundial the rover would use to calibrate its cameras. The MarsDial was used on the Spirit and Opportunity rovers, inscribed with the phrase “Two worlds, one sun” and “Mars” written in 22 different languages.
9. Calmly Debated Countless Climate Deniers
Every time someone wants to argue whether or not climate change is a thing, Bill Nye is the one cable news channels call to go over the science. Why? Well, even though he isn’t a scientist himself, he does know a lot about it. (That’s what makes him a Science Guy). He is constantly learning and adding to his knowledge base, so whenever someone wants to argue that humans have no effect on the planet, he’s their to call them on it. This does have the unfortunate side effect of obscuring the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change, but it does ensure that working climatologists don’t have to put up with these distractions. So they can focus on, you know, trying to make sure we don’t cause our own extinction.
10. Explained the Difference Between Sex and Gender (and that There’s a Spectrum)
Bill Nye’s new Netflix show, Bill Nye Saves the World is essentially Bill Nye the Science Guy for an older audience. The result can be hit-and-miss, but one segment provided a much-needed service to people who can’t quite seem to get the concept of gender identity through their heads. Just like he’s always done, Nye broke down the difference between sex, gender, attraction and expression into simple terms. Using a toy abacus as a metaphor, he explained that none of those things are binary. There are areas in between. Again, simple stuff, but there are still some people (in Nye’s target audience) for whom it needed to be said.
11. Made Kids and Adults Fall in Love with Science
From 2010 to 2016 the GOP voted over 50 times to REPEAL Obamacare because they knew Obama would Veto it.
Repeal it NOW you lying GOP scum, like you voted to do over 50 times before!
McConnell and Ryan’s RINO’s never thought Trump would be elected.
That’s why nothing else was ready after 7 years of RINO BS!
Hellll, most of them voted for Hillary!
Interesting……….what facts do you have to back up the statement that most of them voted for Hillary. Seems so many so called facts are thrown out there just to see if they are accepted.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/261227-gop-donors-wrestle-with-possibility-of-trump-nomination
The subject of Trump came up at a recent Beverly Hills lunch hosted by former U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Rockwell Schnabel.
Seated around the table in the private dining room of the Hotel Bel-Air were several of the West Coast’s most powerful Republican donors, including Ronald Spogli, the venture capitalist and former ambassador to Italy under President George W. Bush; his business partner Bradford Freeman; and Riordan.
A story that circulated after the lunch was that the donors engaged in a hypothetical question: “If it was Donald Trump running against Hillary Clinton, who would you vote for?”
One version has it that most of the Republicans at the table put their hands up for Clinton.
The other version had it that no one raised their hand that they were voting for Clinton.
Good sea story . the big money people are still raking it in . Did you forget all the doom and gloom if Trump would win . The only doom we have is Congress behaving like little children wasting time till 2018 election and then it will repeat till the 2020 election . They will all pat themselves on the back of what a great job they did for 4 years .
Why Republicans Are Supporting Hillary Clinton
https://www.attn.com/stories/11587/why-republicans-are-supporting-hillary-clinton
“What this election has revealed is the big split between Republican elites and Republican voters,” Joshua Dienstag, a professor of political science and and law at the University of California, Los Angeles told ATTN:. Some Republican elites, or high-ranking powerful Republicans, have such divergent views about the party that they’re voting for Clinton rather than their party’s own nominee.
Perhaps the biggest name planning to step over the party line is former president George H.W. Bush.
Other powerful Republicans have moved to the Clinton camp as well. Here are just some of them:
Carlos Gutierrez, former secretary of commerce under President George W. Bush.
Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of state and President George W. Bush.
Rosario Marin, former Treasurer of the United States under President George W. Bush.
…………
According to Dienstag, Republican elites don’t want to lose control of the party so they’re supporting Clinton instead of Trump, whose positions are more extreme. Dienstag believes that Trump has alienated many Republicans, and that could create a power shift.
“Republican elites, for once, have lost control of the nomination process and they are afraid of losing control of the party permanently,” he said. “That’s why some of them are ready to vote for Clinton rather than endorse their own irrelevance to the Republican party.”
Those m***erfu***ers endorsed Clinton because they want us po’ Americans 2 waste ourselves on more generations of arms race. Thanks 4 joining me in seeing that.
Ex-Bush adviser Scowcroft endorses Clinton
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284495-scowcroft-endorses-clinton
Brent Scowcroft, who served as national security adviser under Presidents Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush, is endorsing Hillary Clinton for president.
GOP foreign policy elites flock to Clinton
It’s perhaps the last, strongest bastion of the #NeverTrump movement: the Republican national security establishment.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/national-security-clinton-trump-225137
Two former senior officials from the George W. Bush administration tell POLITICO that they will cast a ballot for Clinton over Trump. They are Stephen Krasner, a Stanford University professor who served as the State Department’s director of policy planning from 2005 to 2007, and David Gordon, a senior advisor at the Eurasia Group who was Krasner’s successor in that post, which provides strategic thinking.
Also saying he would choose Clinton over Trump is Reuel Marc Gerecht, a former CIA case officer and influential neoconservative writer for The Weekly Standard. Gerecht, a senior fellow with the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, has been a harsh critic of Obama’s foreign policy, opposing last summer’s nuclear deal with Iran and arguing for “war” in Syria.
But given a choice between her and Trump, Gerecht said in an email, “I will vote for Clinton.”
Meet the Republicans Who Say They’ll Vote for Hillary Clinton
http://time.com/4317643/republican-party-donald-trump-ted-cruz-hillary-clinton-indiana/
Ben Howe, a contributing editor at conservative website Red State, tweeted before Cruz dropped out, “I am a fiscal conservative and I am a social conservative. That will not change. But I will not vote for an egomaniacal authoritarian. Nope.” And then he followed simply with the Clinton campaign’s hashtag: #ImWithHer.
Mike Treiser, a former staffer on Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, wrote on Facebook: “In the face of bigotry, hatred, violence, and small-mindedness, this time, I’m with her.”
Mark Salter, a former strategist for John McCain, also announced on social media before the Indiana results rolled in that he would support Clinton. “He’s an awful human being,” Salter told TIME of Trump earlier that day. “He appeals to a sliver of the country that mystifies me.”
Neocons, Warmongers, and Globalists Abandon GOP for Hillary
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/23739-neocons-warmongers-and-globalists-abandon-gop-for-hillary
One of the many leftist media outlets celebrating the anti-Trump RINOs is the Daily Beast, a sort of wannabe establishment outlet that is unabashedly left-wing. The Beast compiled a list of some of the “biggest GOP names” backing Hillary Clinton so far.
Unease about Trump has already drawn a number of big names from Republican ranks to support Clinton. As Democrats gather in Philadelphia for their convention, The Daily Beast offers this first definitive list of GOP bigwigs and former GOP officials, business leaders, thinkers and foreign policy analysts, some less well known than others, but indicative of what could be a stampede by November.
Brent Scowcroft, foreign policy adviser to four GOP presidents, said in a statement last month that Clinton “has the wisdom and experience to lead our country at this critical time.”
Henry Paulson Jr. former treasury secretary under President George W. Bush, said “Enough is enough. It’s time to put country before party and say it together: Never Trump.”
Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of state to George W. Bush, told Politico last month, “If Donald Trump is the nominee, I would vote for Hillary Clinton.”
Ken Adelman, U.S. Arms Control director under Ronald Reagan, said “Not only am I not voting for Donald Trump, but also I am not voting for any Republican who endorsed or supported Trump.”
Dr. Patrick Cronin, senior official at USAID during the W. Bush administration, who said, “Only one candidate has thought through America’s challenges… and is ready to be president, and I intend to vote for her—Hillary Clinton.”
Philip Levy, member of President George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisors, said, “Never Trump and I meant it. If Secretary Clinton is the only viable alternative, I would expect to support her.”
Tony Fratto, W. Bush administration deputy press secretary, said, “I’d prefer to have Hillary Clinton in the White House than Donald Trump.”
Kori Schake, former George W. Bush National Security official, said she is voting for @HillaryClinton.
Jim Cicconi, former White House staffer under Presidents Reagan and H.W. Bush, said in a statement, “Hillary Clinton is experienced, qualified, and will make a fine president. The alternative, I fear, would set our nation on a very dark path.”
Alan Steinberg, Bush administration regional EPA administrator, who worked with Clinton when she was New York senator, is voting for her and said, “She can work with people on the opposite side of the political aisle.”
Doug Elmets, former Reagan White House staffer, who worked with conservative icons Lee Atwater and Ed Rollins, said, “I can live with four years of Hillary Clinton before I could ever live with one day of Donald Trump as president.” This will be his first vote ever for a Democrat.
Max Boot, author and military historian, told Vox last month, “I am literally losing sleep over Donald Trump.” A lifelong Republican, he said he would vote for Hillary Clinton.
Retired Army Col. Peter Mansoor, former aide to David Petraeus, now a professor of military history at Ohio State University, told The Washington Post he thinks Trump is too dangerous to be president, and that Clinton will be “the first Democratic presidential candidate I’ve voted for in my adult life.”
Tom Nichols, Military College Professor and former GOP congressional staffer, @RadioFreeTom calls Clinton “a far more plausible Commander in Chief. And that’s all that matters now.”
Marc Andreesen, Silicon Valley venture capitalist and former Romney donor, said the idea of cutting off the flow of immigrants “makes me sick,” tweeting “#imwithher.”
Dan Akerson former General Motors CEO, says Clinton has “the experience and judgment to serve as an effective Commander in chief. In this election, I will cast my ballot for Secretary Clinton.”
Hamid Moghadam, Prologis CEO and immigrant from post-revolutionary Iran, says America is about tolerance and inclusion “and that’s why, as a lifelong Republican supporter, I endorse Hillary Clinton for president in this election.”
Douglas Brand, professor of political science at the College of the Holy Cross, wrote in Fortune Magazine, “To support Trump, we must sacrifice our principles and reconcile our minds to his. Better we should follow Hamilton’s example and support an opposing party whose principles we reject—and remain a principles party of opposition.”
Michael Vlock, Connecticut investor who has given nearly $5 million to Republicans in last two years, told The New York Times he won’t donate to Trump because “he is too selfish, flawed and unpredictable to hold the power of the presidency.”
William Oberndorf, California-based investor, who gave $3 million to Republicans in the last four years, told The New York Times that Trump is so unacceptable that he would vote for Clinton.
Mike Fernandez, a healthcare magnate and one of Jeb Bush’s billionaires in Florida, told the Miami Herald if the choice is between Trump and Clinton, “I’m choosing Hillary.”
Robert Smith, conservative former New York Supreme Court judge (and father of BuzzFeed editor-in-chief Ben Smith), says he’s voting for a Democrat for president. He said it’s “the first time I’ve done it in 36 years, and I think the decision is easy. Hillary Clinton is the only responsible choice.”
Dan Webb, former U.S. attorney, told The Chicago Sun-Times that Trump is “not fit to be president” and he thinks “a huge volume of Republicans” are saying the same thing. He urged them to “get off the sidelines, give Hillary some money and support her because we can’t afford to let him become president.”
Larry Pressler, former South Dakota Republican senator, endorsed Clinton after the mass shooting in Orlando, citing her support for gun safety measures. “If someone had told me 10 years ago I would do this, I wouldn’t have believed them,” he told The Hill last month.
Arne Carlson, former Minnesota Republican governor, worked with Clinton when she was first lady and praised her for doing “something first ladies since Eleanor Roosevelt haven’t done. And that was engage in public policy… She really drove the healthcare debate, and that was the first concerted effort to demonize her, orchestrated by the insurance companies.”
Mark Salter, former top adviser to Sen. John McCain, told Real Clear Politics that Trump “possesses the emotional maturity of a 6-year-old,” and that he “views the powers of the presidency as weapons to punish people who’ve been mean to him—reporters, rival candidates, critics.”
Jamie Weinstein, Daily Caller editor, said in early May that if it’s Trump-Hillary with no serious third-party option, “there is just no question: I’d take a Tums and cast my ballot for Hillary.”
Mike Treiser, former Romney staffer, wrote on Facebook in early May, “In the face of bigotry, hatred, violence, and small-mindedness, this time, I’m with her.”
Evan Siegfried, Republican strategist, told the New York Daily News in early May, “I’m voting for GOP candidates in other races. But for the good of the country, I must do the unthinkable and say, I’m with her.”
Mark Lenzi, former spokesman for the New Hampshire GOP, told Manchester television station WMUR that he “wrestled with the decision for a long time” but as a former U.S. Fulbright Scholar on NATO, he finds Trump’s views toward Europe and our NATO allies dangerous. “There is a palpable fear in these countries about him becoming president.”
Craig Snyder, Republican lobbyist with Ikon Public Affairs, wrote in an email to fellow former staffers of the late Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter, “I’ve been a Republican since high school and certainly never thought I would take any sort of public role in a Democratic presidential campaign, but I never imagined Donald Trump as the Republican nominee.”
Do you really believe that source?
……….do your own homework NOW yalazybytch
Nasty little boy.
The names and dates really R beyond dispute, I personally remember Scowcroft’s very public defection.
Though I’ll refrain from name-calling, I second by friend Charlie’s suggestion re: doing your own homework. It’s clear that he did.
I didn’t ask either of you to do my homework. I read the Washington Post and the New York Times every day. Your dribble is just as bad. Have a nice life.
And your problem is reading liberal news papers.
I don’t have a problem. You should always know what each side is doing and those two papers are running the show for the liberals and calling it news.
It’s not even good for butt wipe , that is how bad the rags are .
Agree but the are calling the shots for the liberals.
It’s that ecologically sound soy based ink.
You read the daily fish wrappings , people would not stain their butts with it if they ran out of toilet paper .
2 “RAGS” that aren’t even suitable to line the bottom of bird cages!! “Ah YEP, I done got my news from the fake news GIANTS”!! I ready to pout the fake news I done read!!
Lol, …The Washington Post and the New York Times??
Hahahahahahahhaahahaaa! Liberal fake news!
Charlie —
You fooled me. I thought you were a Libertarian.
Begone!
Thx for not disagreeing with my many factual posts.
No doubt a liberal. Still upset over the election results! lol
That would be the Clintons still crying over the loss.
A lovely sound.
Even George W. Bush voted for killary and he said he would.
Bush like Billy boy went to the Bilderberg meeting the year before the election , Hillary had a conflict with a prior engagement to raise money other wise she would have gone .
The voters, in a sufficient number of states, preferred Trump. That’s not to say they liked him or considered him their ideal candidate, just that they preferred him to Hillary. Owing to (apparently) Democrat biased polls, the DNC failed to recognize how many extra votes it needed to manufacture to win a few key states. Having lost control across the board may make vote manipulation a significant problem in the near future, but they’re probably up to the challenge if they don’t get caught at it too many times.
Yes, the Democrats believed their own polls and lost!
…yawn, to easy!
Nothing was “ready” after seven years because Obamacare (government control of the people in whatever area it can be exercised) is the Progressive ideal – the Republicans you cite want it like a child wants candy, they simply didn’t want to take the blame for it. The voters betrayed them by believing their promises and handing them the government which, unfortunately for them, came with the responsibility for what they promise and for what they do.
The GOP needs to vote to REPEAL ObamaCare. Now! Declare the effective date of death of that wretched act to be 31 Dec 2018. Establish a new health care law by 1 Jan 2018 which includes Tort Reform; free market economics where purchasers of insurance policies can buy insurance from any group, anywhere where legitimate policies are offered that best meet consumer’s needs, not government’s; health savings accounts; Medicaid coverage for those at or below the poverty level who don’t have the financial resources to purchase insurance to meet their needs. We need healthcare that best serves the patient’s needs and in order to force the free market system to work properly, every medical treatment facility and/or physician must be required to post their fee for every service, surgical or medical procedure, including medicine and anesthetic, so a given consumer may decide for himself how best to meet his and his family’s health needs given his specific financial resources. ALL people must have some skin in the game, even the 50 percent of the population who pay no federal income taxes. And the federal government must vacate its unconstitutional role in the management of national health care no later than 1 January 2018. Period. Right, Obozo?
Yes, a straight REPEAL, giving the industry back to the ones who have the knowledge and character to manage it themselves, whereas Congress cannot handle ANYTHING WELL. Think about it: the most incompetent group of humans in America is destroying, obviously with our blessings, everything that has been good. If we do not put an end to it, we ARE guilty of their sins…..we should have stopped them before Obama was elected.
Better idea. Get rid of Obama care once and for all time. Put the insurance companies on notice to go back to selling plans to those in the open markets and keep the damned government out of healthcare once and for all time. The idea of government forcing people to purchase any product from private companies be it healthcare, auto or life, is totally stupid.
Better idea, how? We said the same thing, Jim, except, perhaps, I used too many words. The essence of the program should be: kill ObamaCare, let the free market operate, re-invigorate the interstate insurance system, and get the federal government the hell out of the way. So, how do we differ? I forgot, we must strangle the Tort system. Progressives love it because it feeds huge dollar amounts to the trial lawyers who are in bed with the democrats. Torts also increase the medical costs hugely themselves because doctors practice defensive medicine.
Remember Charlie Gard all you libleft dems. Remember Charlie Gard
why blame all the republicans when it’s only a few that are against repealing?we know who they are and two are up for reelection next year.time to throw them out!
If MOST are conservative, then why is the Party essentially liberal? It TALKS conservative, and all too often votes LIBERAL…..NOT acceptable to most of its voters.
Stephen — Term Limits ASAP. May Almighty God have mercy on us all.
Could you give names, or at least the states these two are in?
yes! susan collins maine,murkowski,alaska shelley moore,w va
Which two is it ?
susan Collins maine,lisa Murkowski Alaska,shelley moore,w va
Oh thank you ! I have a list of those coming up for election in 2018 and these two were not on it, doesn’t mean I didn’t overlook it. thanks to people like you we can stay updated .
This nonsense is completely beyond ridiculous at this point!! It makes very little difference what bill they may pass. Every reasoning person, anybody even remotely familiar with the history of humankind, has been aware since 1993 and the egregious introduction of Hillary Care, that anything, short of Socialized Medicine, is simply a placeholder for single payer! Once an idea such as”Free Medical Care” as disingenuous as it is, has been broadly introduced to the Public, it can NEVER be removed!
Prime example: Social Security and Medi-Care, despite the fact that they are on an inevitable path to total collapse, all things remaining as is, ANY attempt to alter their structure, is a career ending move!
Just pass something and get the HE_ _ on with the important business they have completely ignored to posture and pander over this non-issue!
“IF” they STOPPED giving S.S., “Free Medical Care” and Medicare to the F—ing ILLEGAL ALIENS S.S. MAY/ MIGHT LAST LONGER!!!
Remember it WAS the DemoCommieSCUMboRATZ that predominately RAPED S.S.!!!
Subj: S.S. CARD TRUTH:
In case you were wondering about the origin of the social security tax and its evolution
since inception…If it makes you angry, join the club…
Pass this message along if you know people who are not aware of what has happened to
social security over the years…
History Lesson on Your Social Security Card
Just in case some of you young whippersnappers (& some older ones) didn’t know
this. It’s easy to check out, if you don’t believe it. Be sure and show it to
your family and friends. They need a little history lesson on what’s what and
it doesn’t matter whether you are Democrat or Republican. Facts are
Facts.
Social Security Cards up until the 1980s expressly stated the number and card were
> not to be used for identification purposes. Since nearly everyone in the United States now has a number, it
became convenient to use it anyway and the message, NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION, was removed.
An old Social Security card with the “NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION”
>
> Our Social Security Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program.
He promised:
1.) That participation in the Program would be Completely voluntary,
> No longer Voluntary
2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual Incomes into the Program,
Now 7.65% on the first $105,000 .
3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income for tax purposes each year, No longer tax deductible. it was Amended by Congress after S.S. was passed.
4.) That the money the participants put into the independent ‘Trust Fund’
> rather than into the general operating fund, and therefore,would only be
> used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government
> program, and, under Johnson the money was moved to The General Fund and Spent. It was put into the “Unified Budget” with IOU’s to be payed later. After ALL benefits are payed out ANY surplus is given an IOU and the money moved to the General Fund!!
5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.
Under Reagan and Congress it was decided to tax up to 50%, it was upped under Clinton & Gore Up to 85% of your Social Security can be Taxed Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month — and then finding that we are getting taxed on
85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to ‘put away’ — you may be interested in the following:
———— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —-
Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent ‘Trust
> Fund’ and put it into the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the democrat controlled House and Senate. ————
——— ——— ——— ——— ——— ——— —
Then, after violating the original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away or it’s about “broke”!
And the worst part about it is uninformed citizens believe it!
> If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe changes will evolve. But it’s
worth a try.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bush-administration-adds-4-trillion-to-national-debt/
Quoting from the CBS article, dated Sept. 2008, for those to LAZY to check it out!
Quote:
“Today, OMB press secretary Corinne Hirsch, renewed the oft-made government argument that reporters
should focus on just that part of the national debt that is held by the public – now about $5.6 trillion
and not include that portion billed as “intra-governmental holdings” – money the government owes itself
– especially the Social Security and Medicare trust funds.
Of course, the government doesn’t have that money either. It’s been spent.
President Bush made that point himself on April 5, 2005, when he paid a visit to the offices of the Bureau
of the Public Debt in Parkersburg, W.Va.
He was shown a white file cabinet with keypad locks on each of its four drawers in which the Social Security
Trust Fund is stored. On that day, there was no cash – as he noted in a speech later in the day.
“There is no ‘trust fund,’ just IOUs that I saw firsthand, that future generations will pay – will pay for
either in higher taxes, or reduced benefits, or cuts to other critical government programs,” he told an
audience at West Virginia University.” End quote!
The government didn’t have the money it owed itself back then – and still doesn’t.
That NIGGER that was in their for 8 years was the BIGGEST LIAR WALKING!!! If THAT BITCH got in it would of been 4 more years of THAT NIGGER!!!
Agree with you on the people involved but your language is deplorable.
I am sorry but i speak my mind.
By using the N word you bring yourself down to a level that doesn’t help your frustration.
Your comments show you to appear to be a “Political Correctness” fan!
TRUTH NEVER brings us “down.”
PC often just makes us liars!
Calling another person “Nigger” is not necessarily racist. It can be used for any person who is a rabble-rouser or trouble maker!
In 2018 it will be time to “Clean the Swamp” ! Vote the RINO’s and DemoRats out of office and “Replace” with ACTUAL PATRIOTS who will serve WE THE PEOPLE and MAGA!!!!!!! If they try this “Single Payer BS” , then it will be time for a 2nd Revolution.
It seems the Republican Party leadership is ready to close down the Party and join the Rat Party which fails at every single thing they do – except they manage to WIN the republican politicians, most of whom were never conservative to start with and should have NEVER WON A SINGLE ELECTION. IT’s time for all conservatives to get together, form a new Party with teeth and beat the sox off both major “Parties”. As far as I am concerned both Parties are worse than incompetent – both are damned dangerous to America, and if we continue letting them do as they please after WE elect them, then WE WILL TRULY BE AS BAD AS THEY ARE, and that is saying a mouthful, and it says that we are too gutless to stop this meltdown our politicians and media have wrought on us. If the Party puts a wimpy republican on the ticket, all of us must post such and push for a specific name to vote for, then DO IT! Not voting for a wimp is better than voting FOR him thereby taking some of the blame for his incompetence…..even if the Rat Party wins….because with that wimp on board, the Rat Party will win WITH HIS VOTE.
I have read Ted Cruz health plan and I believe it would work very well, But we have McConnell controlling the heathcare problem we need to get him out of there.
Set Medicaid aside for another day to work on. Then repeal what’s left of ObamaCare. Repubs must not sell their souls to the dems. That would only make matters worse.
Return to what we had in 1950 with a Prohibition of law-suits exceeding $100,000.00.
. People were healthier, received swift medical care and treatment, doctors doctored, and citizens without insurance received pro-bono from services with help from social services. Many indigent had services performed in medical and nursing schools.
. Father had major surgery in 1960 with no insurance and and total bill was a not shocker. He earned less than $7,000/year and there was no social services intervention.
We need a citizens board to come up with the plan. We seem to have more sense and smarts than the overpaid congress.
Congress ignored them.
Congress already accepted the Insurance Company bribes, soooooooo….
Term Limits !! No lobbying in and around DC. You want to lobby a Politician it would be allowed in a Town hall setting (no secrets). If Politicians want to devise a healthcare to replace Obamacare, fine, when you pass it, it will be the plan you have to use and none other along with ALL people who are collecting a check that is paid with taxpayer funds. This way the cost is spread over millions of Americans and NO monies of any kind are to be spent for ILLEGALs in the United States for Housing, Food, Education or Healthcare. Lots of money out there being wasted.
In truth the Rep lied to us about repeal . are what i think repeal is , isnt what they think it is We have to many rinose like mc cain , graham , ryan and mitch that make it hard for conservative to do a good job If they cant repeal then i cant see me voting for them again
Everyone should be responsible to get their own health care. It isn’t up to the government to do it for us. We need less government control not more. Just repeal Obama care and no replacement.
Politicians in general are so bought and paid for by Pharmaceutical companies that they will not not consider Holistic Health and Traditional Religion based plans (Liberty Direct & Mygreensurance).
They just keep trying to float the story that its the republicans against the democrats instead of the liberals against the conservatives. As long as the numbers of liberal RINO’s are high we are never going to get anything done. They keep blocking everything just to keep their money flowing in. They will not win, we just have to keep removing the idiots until the conservative numbers are high enough to get things done.
Socialized “Death Care”, so we can have the privilege of killing our young such as they were able to do with Socialized Death Care – just what America needs
Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, and the rest of the GOP leadership must be removed. Enemies of America.
REPLACE CONGRESS!
TO THESE STINKING DEMS, —YOU EVEN TRY THIS AND I DON’T THINK 2018 WOULD LOOK VERY GOOD FOR YOU IN THE LONG RUN. WE DON’T WANT GOV IN OUR HEALTHCARE. ANY TIME GOV IS IN ANYTHING AND HE GETS ROTTEN. AND YOU WON’T BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH US —-NO MORE. OUR EYES ARE OPEN TO THE CRIMES THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO US. SO WATCH YOUR STEP. OR THERE WILL BE NO MORE.!!!!!
You want a health-care bill give the people the same health-care that congress and the Senate has.Now that would be a real health-care bill.
I have no interest in a national freeloader system. Especially for congress people.
The senators and congress such make a health care for them selves and all federal workers. than when they get done add the rest of to the same health care, problem solved.
“Single payer” – “No payer”.. Whenever government decides. It is also inherently corrupt. A bureaucratic nightmare that has the power to make people beg for their lives.. No thanks,
got my reps on speed dial !!!
Socialized medicine creates Death Panels, Look at little Charlie Gard in the UK.
Judges determined he must die!
Socialized medicine IS NOT THE ANSWER!
Big government can’t run the VA medical what makes them think they can run medical for the entire country!
Get out of my healthcare NOW!
Repeal the disaster that is OBAMACARE and let it go back to what it was before!
I am treated by VA Since the investigation started, it has got WORSE in my area. There are problems, but you do not put in a finishing nail with a sledge hammer. Take as good care of vets and seniors as we do ILLEGALS/PRISONERS, often the same thing.
medical people and insurance companies want government health care because it will make money for them. some Doctors (conservatives) do not because they know government will screw it up, like they do everything they are into. GET OBASTARD/GOURD CARE REPEALED! You will see health care become affordable with NO insurance. Ins. was an invention by doctors so they would not have to treat poor people for free. If folks didn’t have ins. government picked it up. doctors got paid! No more hypocratic oath.
These politicians are always running their campaigns for re-election so afraid they are going to lose a vote. They can’t seem to do their jobs of working for We The People and not the lobbyists, lawyers, insurance companies, and big money donors. This new health care bill must include tort reform, no bail out for the insurance industry, stop our government from interfering with our health care decisions, and whatever bill they decide on, it must apply to everyone (all politicians) no exceptions.
McCain just used the public healthcare system at a tune of $100,000 plus then voted to proceed with a plan that would deny his constituency the same opportunity,
The US should just adopt the Canadian Healthcare system if nothing else. Its working and proven and about one half the cost of our outlays for health. Trump is lying about the ACA “Obamacare,” one of the charges was that American consumers will end up hating the coverage they receive through the reform law. And for those ACA detractors looking for something, anything, to bolster their contempt for the law, I’m afraid I have more bad news: Americans who received coverage through Obamacare tend to be quite pleased with the results. Obamacare customers nationally also tended to be more satisfied with their plans bought in 2014 than people who primarily have traditional job-based health coverage – the majority of those with insurance – the study by the J.D. Power market research company found
In the real world, the ACA(Obamacare) would just be fixed if there are any problems with it. But the Right wing Republicans are so racist and fought Obama for 8 years on everything that they could, can’t stand the thought that Pres. Obama would get credit for anything that might enhance his legacy. Thus the ACA repeal fight. What is so sick is that the Republicans aren’t a bit embarrassed that they are taking billions out of Medicaid and at same time giving billions to the higher incomes in tax breaks. Their programs are based on myths and lies and disregard for public health. The very simple solution to this whole mess is make Medicaid a public option or single payer to everyone under 65. Plans in place and has been for years, Get rid of all the deductions and large copays if any, Deduction’s and copays only purpose is to discourage people from using their health care. Using Medicaid for single payer or public option, It lets the states to have some skin in the game. Considering all the money the Government gives to private insurance, Medicaid would probably give people better coverage at a cheaper price There would be a small premium that would increase according to your income. No need to have customized policies, Just a standard policy understanding much like now for Medicaid and Medicare. The ACA rules would apply in most cases and if there is a limit on who can qualify it could be 4 x the poverty level. or even beyond. at an increased premium. All Medicare should be of the Medicare advantage type or Part D as it is called It is a Medicaid expansion, but it replaces everything else and its in place and ready to go. Over the 133% of the poverty level. individual’s can pay a small premium and increased based on their income and some increase based on age up to 65. A formula could be worked out. The main thing is get rid of the deductibles and high copays, which only are use to discourage you from using your insurance and defeats the purpose of preventive medicine actually adding to the cost of healthcare. The Medical and pharmaceutical companies have been draining(raping) our treasury for way to long. They have no business in public healthcare. Medicare Advantage done for all should be in house as well. SS just raise SS pay in from 127,000 to One million. Should take a look at the Canada retirement system as well.
Repeal everything that obummer did, as his goal was not to help America, but to cause strife and struggle period ! obummer the orator has pushed his snake oil since being placed in the White House, as I will never believe the critter was truly elected, by legitimate votes ! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b30910b6dd1f36449fb8f6336f57b02c92566df0db5d129bd709317aa143ebcd.jpg
The only opening I see coming is the gateway to hell.. That one you could drive a freighter through.
Yes, socialized medicine is practiced in many other countries and, without exception, has proven a ‘failure’!! The ‘quality’ of care is lacking and the waiting time for treatment is totally unacceptable! I certainly don’t want a ‘board’ run by the government to determine ‘if, when, how much and ‘what’ kind of treatment’ I’m entitled to receive—especially of a serious nature. We already get too much of that kind of ‘blackmail’ by the insurance companies. At least we can ‘fight’ an insurance company if needed and, if we want to–change companies. Can’t do that with ‘government’ care. Meanwhile, I’m taking as much responsibility for my own health as I know how!
Health is as much a ‘mental/emotional’ state as it is ‘physical’!!
Look at how many repub backed candidates Trump beat and the gop still doesn’t see we’ve had enough of their establishment picks and their continued failure of representing the citizens of our country first. More must go on both sides, new people who put America First.
By prayer and grit, “We the patriotic taxpaying People” will pray God will also answer of next set of elections and these Anti-God and Anti-American, “bought, coerced, intimidated” or just plain stupid lying legislators and politicians will be removed.
. Pray Trump follow the lead when President Bill Clinton told Janet Reno to fire all 93 U.S. Attorneys in one day. Read more: http://americanlookout.com/… . or http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/flashback-bill-clinton-93-u-s-attorneys-fired-one-day-video/.
. Then we can have these laws declared unconstitutional and repealed.
. We do not want lobbyist of the the criminal cartels [backed by shadow government] controlled by “International and our Big Bankers” writing any more of our legislation.
Pray and let God give wisdom discernment, protection and direction to our administration.
There are still too many Democrats in both Houses of Congress, and not enough conservative Republicans. Best option: Throw the Democrats out, and add conservative Republicans until the few RINOs are just bonus votes.
We are already dealing with socialized medicine. It will get worse before it gets better, primarily because politicians of all stripes will never have to use it. They will have the best medical care as long as they live, (which they hope will be forever). None of our politicians really care about the people that vote for them. Basically they would love to shove lollipops in our mouths and push us away.
This is whats going on the dead beats for the first time have health care while the rest of the tax paying hard working americans pay for it. Why dont these senators take there shades off and leave the drugs alone for a while. The problem is that the government is handling this money. They have done a really lousy job at our veterans administration. They cant seem to be able to handle money. Before they even get it is already leaking all over the place with no one being held accountable for it.Its time for everyone to be responsible for there actions. There should be death penaltys & jail time for the people who have gotten our country in such a mess. They dont want things to clean up because its jail time for them. I will pay for my own health care thank you. Get your hand off my wallet. Cant wait till Chuck Schumer to be jailed. Hes the one counting these poor people who dont do anything but live off the government. A definite democratic vote for 2020?
NOt really for the mainstream republicans which are 48 will not vote for anything that smells like Obamacare no matter how they try to state it. But Susan (traitor) will vote for it!
they don’t have to dismantle it the insurance companies are doing it for them.